Collateral With Will Abeles
Seth
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Movie Wars.
Kyle
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the Movie wars podcast. We're back. I'm Kyle.
Seth
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I'm Seth.
Kyle
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And we have one of our amazing comedian friends, Will Abel. Yes.
Will
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Oh, my God. I was like, what Intro? Well, I was like, what are you about to say? We have.
Kyle
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Well.
Will
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Sorry. Sorry.
Kyle
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Only with a few comedians.
Seth
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Yeah.
Will
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Yeah. Oh, thank you, guys.
Kyle
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Speaking the pride of Hagerstown. That's a special. It's one of the best specials. I loved watching it.
Will
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Oh, thank you.
Kyle
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And I also get to see the material live sometimes, so that's good, too. So they can find it YouTube.
Will
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YouTube. And also YouTube.
Kyle
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And also you haven't put on Spotify.
Will
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Oh, yeah, it's on Spotify. Yeah, that's true.
Kyle
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I think that's how I first. I think I listened to half of it and I think I watched half of it. I'm trying to remember how I did it.
Will
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Oh, that's great. I like that.
Kyle
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Yeah.
Will
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It's also one of those that if you download it on. If you still have itunes, if you still have Apple, it's one of those because of my name.
If you turn your car on and it automatically connects to your phone, you get to hear one of my jokes, like, immediately.
Kyle
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Oh, I love that.
Seth
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Yeah, it's nice.
Will
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It happens to me sometimes, and I'm like, I've taken Apple off my phone.
Kyle
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Yeah.
Will
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So I don't have to hear my own joke.
Seth
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Well, I listened to all the setups, and then I watched all the punchlines.
Kyle
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Oh, yeah.
Seth
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It was a really cool.
Will
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There you go.
Kyle
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Will
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I like that extra effort that you're just sitting here like.
Kyle
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And with German subtitles. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Will
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Perfect.
Kyle
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No, it's funny. You. You. I'm not going to spoil a bit because I want you to go watch it for the first time, but you're. You have so many bits. I really like your dad.
Stuff about your dad and, like, playing baseball. Like, some of the bits you have, I'm just like, dude, I just relate to that so hard.
Seth
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It's a good time.
Kyle
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Yeah. So I'm not.
Will
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Yeah.
Kyle
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I'm not going to spoil the bits, though. Go check it out on YouTube.
Will
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Yeah. Thank you.
Kyle
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Yeah, man. So we're talking about Collateral today. Yeah, yeah. And I'm excited because I feel like.
And we talked about this with Drive, you know, so, like, 80% of the movies take place in Los Angeles, basically.
Seth
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Used to. At least they don't. They don't film there anymore. So it's kind of hard.
Kyle
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Even if it takes place in Los Angeles. That was New Mexico.
Seth
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Yeah.
Kyle
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Or that was Vancouver. Or Vancouver.
Seth
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Yeah.
Kyle
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Because they've made it impossible to make movies to. Even for big budget movies to be affordable in la. Thank you, Hollywood.
Seth
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But hey, the tariffs are going to save us.
Kyle
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Yes, they will. Yes, yes. We're going to tariff all the things.
Seth
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John Voight.
Kyle
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Yeah, thanks, John Voight.
Will
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Yeah. You can't to Dubai and film this scene anymore. You have to do it in Culver City. Yeah.
Kyle
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I'm from Arkansas. There's a lot of free land, man. There's. There's just cotton fields and diamond mines there.
Seth
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And Arkansas is so sketchy that even Ozark went and filmed in Georgia.
Kyle
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Yes, I know. And there's a city called Ozark and it looks exactly like the show. Yeah, exactly like Missouri.
Will
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Why don't they film like. I know, like, you know, Georgia's got its. Its got kind of got it together. Why don't they ever film anything in Tennessee?
Seth
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They do sometimes. They. They used to more, but the tax incentives have gotten worse.
Will
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Oh, that's.
Seth
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But I mean, we had, we. We obviously had Nashville film here for the longest time still. The King filmed here for a while. We had some random.
I, I worked on plenty of pilots that never went through, but we had, we had a lot of work. The Green Mile that was happening. The Green Mile was in it. The. He was.
Kyle
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Yeah, he was one of the, the prisoners jackhammering.
Seth
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Yeah. The 1994 Jungle Book was shot in Tennessee. Not Nashville specifically, but Tennessee.
Will
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The Jungle Book, like the cartoon?
Seth
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No, the one with Jason Scott Lee and Carrie Elwes and Sam Neill and John Cleese.
Will
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Yeah, yeah. Oh, my God. I don't know.
Seth
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Great movie.
Will
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Yeah.
Seth
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We need to cover that one day because that's one of my favorites. But yeah, there used to be a lot and just over the last several years it's kind of, kind of died down.
But I think with Nashville 911 coming here, it'll hopefully start.
Will
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Oh, okay, cool.
Kyle
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Yeah, yeah.
Will
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How many cameos do you think Morgan Wallen's gonna make on. On that show?
Seth
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Exactly three.
Kyle
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Yeah.
Seth
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All of them are going to be chair.
Will
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Always getting arrested so he can like up his bad boy.
Seth
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Yeah.
Will
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With his cute little boots.
Seth
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They're all, all the 911 calls are going to be for the Nashville Predator. Morgan Wallen.
Kyle
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I have never got to tell the story, but it's funny. I have a. I have this hilarious. I was in a Morgan Wallen music video and hell yeah. Because my. My friend owns a barber shop and.
Will
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Just keep going and. Yeah.
Kyle
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Yeah. Does he look like he gets haircuts? No. And just recently, I guess I don't like country music, so I don't give a.
But my friend was like, hey, I know you want a free haircut. And I was like, sure, what do I have to do? Because I was like, that's a weird thing to say. You want to get it for.
It's only, hey, do you want a free ride or. And so I was like, sure. What? I was like. And this is kind of as he was blowing up, but I still had never heard his name.
There's this guy named Morgan Wallen, and he booked the place to do a music video shoot for Spotify. And so it was like the Spotify collaboration. And I show up, and they sit me right next to Morgan Wallen.
Seth
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Nice.
Kyle
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And he. He. I guess they had already told him I'm a standup comedian.
Seth
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Oh, okay.
Kyle
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And so he's like, start saying the.
Seth
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N word to you, like, immediately.
Kyle
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Immediately. Just like, just. He had a sign problem with.
Will
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Y' all can't say anything anymore.
Kyle
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You just can't say anything.
Will
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Well, like, what specifically, Morgan? What can't we say?
Seth
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Yeah, well, what are the words?
Will
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Are you filming jugs?
Kyle
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We can't say the word jugs anymore.
Will
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I had someone say it to me on my lift. I was driving for Uber yesterday, and he was like. He found out I was comedian. He was from. Where was he from? Charlotte. He was from Charlotte.
And it was like, an older guy, white hair, and he was like, you're find a problem that you can't, like, tell jokes about black people anymore. And I was like, that's where you're going with this.
Kyle
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Wow.
Will
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Like, that specifically is what he said. He was like. He was like. He was like, yeah. You find it, like, hard. You can't say what you, like, want to say on stage.
You know, like, people get all offended by it. Like, you know, you can't tell jokes about black people. And I was like, that's. That's it? That's all you want?
Kyle
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Yeah.
Seth
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Who starts a conversation like that? I just sat down.
Kyle
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Are there any other people you'd like to add to the equation that we can't talk about? Because right now, I'm feeling siloed.
Will
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Right now? Yeah. That's so ridiculous.
Kyle
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So anyway, I'm sitting next to Morgan Wallen, and he's. A band is in the other seats, and it's me and a couple other people, and I'm. And I'm.
He's, like, asking me to tell jokes, and he keeps, like, prodding me to tell jokes and he gets me in trouble. And Morgan Wallen laughed because his producer came over and says, if you don't shut up, I'm gonna kick you out of here. And I was like, this guy.
Will
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Yeah.
Kyle
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Is the one making me tell jokes. He's like, he's asking me for material and he's laughing and he keeps prodding me. And then he starts talking about.
Even while the camera guy is, like, starting to, like, filming, and it's the actual music video.
Will
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Stop doing this.
Kyle
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He's like, who do you. Who do you like in football? I'm like, they're filming, Morgan.
Will
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That uncomfortable situation where you're like, you know, you're not supposed to be doing this and you know I'm going to get in trouble because no one's going to say anything to you. Oh, yeah.
Kyle
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Yep.
Will
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Yeah.
Seth
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And so that tracks. I completely. I believe every word of that.
Kyle
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Yeah, yeah.
Seth
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It just makes sense.
Will
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All right, we're rolling. Can you. Can you please stop? Stop.
Kyle
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Yeah. I want a free haircut, Morgan.
Will
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Kyle
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Anyway, back to Collateral. That's why we get stand up comedians on the show. You never know where it's going to go.
Seth
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Exactly.
Kyle
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Back to la, though, when they did film. No one films la like Michael Mann, Heat, Collateral. He has this. He. It's funny because he's from Chicago. He's born and raised.
And you should listen to the commentary. Any commentary. Michael Mann. The dude's a historian.
Seth
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Yeah.
Kyle
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The way he talks about film, he's so, like, when he talks. And there's a special technological feed on this movie with the digital camera they used. But just hearing him, even as a.
Seth
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Director, used a digital camera in 2004.
Kyle
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Yeah, he was. It's one of the very first.
Seth
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It really is. Oh, my God, that's crazy.
Kyle
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And. But his familiarity, you would love it as a filmmaker. He knows the technology.
Seth
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Oh, yeah.
Kyle
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He's using, like, terminology for the lights. I've never heard. And for the, like, the grain. And like, he just is so, like, he knows every aspect of film history, filmmaking.
Will
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So he was very proud of that movement because I remember I was at Emerson at the time, and I remember we had people come in, like, furious about, like, red cameras and, like, just like. And how much it could pick up.
And they were like, yeah, if you want to see a guy drinking coffee six blocks away when we're trying to focus on the guy right ahead of him, yeah, go get a red camera. And I, like, I wasn't even a film guy. I was a TV Guy. So I was like, what? This guy is furious.
Kyle
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Yeah.
Will
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But interesting, because I. I do know that was like a big divide in, in film.
Seth
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Oh, absolutely. Robert Rodriguez was definitely one of the earliest adopters.
Found that out from the Joe Rogan interview that Spy Kids 3D was the first digital 3D movie ever.
Kyle
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Yeah.
Will
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They were filming 3D movies on film.
Seth
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Yeah.
Will
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Huh.
Kyle
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Yeah. Jaws. Jaws 3D was the first digital or the first analog 3D movie ever made.
Seth
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Yeah.
Kyle
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Yep.
Will
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Oh, yeah. Okay. But I guess now that. I guess I was thinking 3D with like the other glasses, not the blue and red.
Seth
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Oh, yeah, yeah, Yeah.
Will
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I guess 3D's been around for a while.
Kyle
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Yeah.
Will
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And. Well, there you go.
Seth
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Yeah.
Kyle
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And it was always used in the stupidest applications, like when you watch Jaws 3D, it's such a shitty movie and then the 3D is really shitty. It's like whenever they blow up the shark, the jaw. The jaw of the shark just floats really close to the screen.
Will
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You're like, oh, no. I like that though.
Kyle
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Yeah, it is kind of cool.
Seth
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I will agree with you though, the way it is shot, you really do get a sense for kind of, kind of like we were talking about with Drive, just kind of the sweaty nature and I guess with Falling down, like the sweaty nature of la. Yes, it definitely compared to Falling Down.
And I think there was one other LA based movie that we watched, but it, it, it, it actually reminded me more of like gta.
Kyle
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Yeah.
Seth
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How. How smooth it was shot and how, how like it got you into the underbelly, but it still felt a little bit romanticized.
Kyle
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Yes.
Seth
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Didn't feel like they were really trying to get into the gritty parts of la.
Kyle
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Gave you everything.
Seth
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Yeah. Which I guess makes sense. If he's from Chicago, he would come into LA with this grand way of viewing it and what's presented. Yeah.
Almost like a mystical place.
Kyle
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Yeah. And heat's the same way. Like the, the, the. One of the most legendary scenes in film history is the shootout that just happens in the streets.
And people comment about how loud it is and how he wanted the echoes of those buildings to be captured. And they're loud and you feel like you're like when you're watching it in the surround sound, like, oh my God, am I there? Like even that.
Those are just commercial buildings in la. But he felt like it had to be every time he films in L. A. He's so good at featuring it.
Seth
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Yeah.
Kyle
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And so I just. Always a feast.
Will
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Yeah.
Kyle
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Watching. Watching an L. A movie.
Will
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I understand the romance of L A. Because I definitely had that before I had to go out there and start working.
Like, even, even like the first few times I went out there and worked, it still had it. And it wasn't until like I lived there for like only two months and like it was. By the end of it you were like, yeah, okay, yeah, it's over.
Yeah, this, this relationship's over.
Seth
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Yeah, I've been there once. I was there for four days and that was plenty of time for me to the vibe of the city.
And I am going back later this year, but that's just to see 30 seconds to Mars. So it'll be a fun time. But I. Yeah, LA is not one that has.
Granted I didn't go to it back kind of like New York like before COVID when things still kind of had the little magical patine patina to it where it was like, oh yeah, it's. It could still be cool even though it's still covered in. Yeah, now it's just covered in. There's nothing cool there's anymore.
Will
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Yeah. And the part I worked like, I. Very specifically like most of the time I work there.
I was working on Hollywood Boulevard by like I was either at Kimmel or I was at the Dolby Theater. So that's like a very. I mean to me that's still la. Yeah, like it's a very. Because it's Hollywood, you know. But I.
Yeah, I feel like once I got outside of that I was like, it's kind of, kind of like a lot of. A lot of strip malls.
Seth
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Yeah, yeah. Strip malls here and they're all way too expensive.
Kyle
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Yeah, I can't afford to be this poor.
Seth
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Yeah, yeah.
Will
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There's a comedy club in one of the strip. What it's called now. But I remember like I got booked there and I was going to it. It's not like it's like.
Not like it's like a comedy club the way like. I mean Third coast is a better club than that.
But like that idea where it's like not necessarily like a zany's type where it's like multiple clubs around the country. Like an improv or something like that.
Seth
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Yeah.
Will
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But I remember like walk like trying to find it and being like where is this place? Like this is insane. I'm just at a strip mall and then like seeing like a bunch of people walk out that I was like, that's an improv troupe.
Seth
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Yeah.
Will
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And then realizing like the blacked out windows were. That was the club. And then you went and it was actually cool. Once you got inside.
Kyle
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But it was between a Wrangler and an Indian boutique.
Will
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Honestly. Something like that. Yeah. Like, it was insane and. But yeah, yeah. What it was called off the top of my head, but.
Kyle
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And you said you had a collateral story yourself.
Will
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I did. I, I, it was like my. So I used to.
I've been driving for Uber Eats and that kind of thing for a while, but I finally got a nice enough car that I was like, you know what? I'm going to make some money and drive for Uber and Lyft because, like.
Seth
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He'S graduated, y' all.
Will
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Yeah. Well, the reason I didn't want to do it for so long is just the, the, you can't control the chaos of what's about to happen.
Seth
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No, I used to drive for Lyft, like 100% it is. You never know what you're going to get.
Will
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Yeah. And I actually, I do prefer Lyft passengers to Uber passengers. I think Lyft is more local and I think that's, I think that's why.
Seth
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But they're also just a slightly better company than Uber. Uber is just a horrible company.
Will
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I don't know what Uber did. I'm making bank on Uber at the moment.
Seth
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Oh. I just meant in the fact that they cover up, like, sexual assault against passengers.
Will
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Oh, yeah.
Seth
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And that kind of.
Will
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure. That, that checks out. Well, it also.
Uber gets in trouble every six months and then they're like, hey, you come work for us, you'll make a bunch of money. I think, I think I've just discovered that and I don't know what happened. So I'll go look it up later.
Seth
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Yeah.
Will
00:13:11.550 - 00:13:29.930
After I've made my millions. After I've paid for this tour. But. Yeah, so. Oh, God. Yeah. And it's one of those things where, like, I, as I get older, I have, like, I can.
I was actually thinking about this today. At some point, I don't, I don't think trauma exists anymore. I think we, it's just our day to day.
Seth
00:13:29.930 - 00:13:30.330
Yeah.
Will
00:13:30.330 - 00:13:35.450
I think we're at a point where we can't go, like, oh, that was a traumatic event. You just have to go, no, that's life. This is what life is now.
Seth
00:13:35.450 - 00:13:36.970
Yeah. Scars on scars.
Will
00:13:36.970 - 00:13:41.570
Yeah. Where it's just to a point where you're like, I can't. I haven't healed from the last six years, let alone what happened three days ago.
Seth
00:13:41.570 - 00:13:42.090
Yeah.
Will
00:13:42.170 - 00:15:19.970
So I, it was like 11:00 o' clock on a Thursday. I don't Normally drive past 11. And it was, you Know, there's.
Nashville is a fairly safe city, but there are certain pockets that you go, I don't want to be driving here at a certain point at night. And I was like, it's 11 o' clock on Thursday. Should be fine. So pretty early. And I come pulling up, and I looked like a party was letting out.
And it's my last. It's my. It's like, my last one.
And so, like, you know, I'm seeing people hanging out or whatever, and this guy comes up to the door, and he starts smoking a joint at the door. And I was like, oh, okay, I'm going to be sitting here for a minute. So he's, like, yelling back at the people sitting on the stoop.
And I just think they're still just having a conversation. I just think it's like the end of a party. They're drunk, whatever.
And then finally he, like, throws it down, throws the joint down, gets in the car, and he's like, man, turn this up. And I was like, listen, like, Sturgill Simpson. It was not like. And not like his rock album, you know? Like, it was like, in bloom, like, worship.
Yeah, yeah. And so he, like. So I turn it up, and then I turned the car around.
And honestly, I should have just driven away because it took him so long to get in, but, you know, I would have had to, like, go up, turn around, get around. Like, it would. It was not easy, easy. And he gets in, tells me to turn it up. I start pulling out, and he goes, man, turn that down.
So I turn it down, and then he's like, man, what did he say? He was like, man, I don't know. And end of, like, a. He said something, and then he was like. He was like, yeah, that guy just punched me in the face.
And I was like, what? Look at my eye. And I turn around, and he's like, oral bone is like. Like, he's got this lump sticking out from under it.
Like his orbital bones clearly cracked. And it's like, well and so. And I was like, oh, my God, dude, you want to take you to the hospital? He's like, no, you're driving me home.
I'm getting my gun, I'm coming back, and I'm killing this motherfucker.
Seth
00:15:19.970 - 00:15:20.690
Oh, my God.
Will
00:15:20.690 - 00:16:11.190
And I was like, all right, 13 more minutes to go on this drive. And now we're on the highway. He's behind me. And the guy is drunk, he's high. He's clearly concussed, you know, and so he's just not making Sense.
He's talking about P. Diddy. He's talking about, like. And it was like, one of these things where you kind of ramble, ramble, ramble, and then go, and know what else?
And you're like, what? And then you just go on a ramble, ramble, ramble. You know? But he's saying some really, like, horrible things.
And then he starts telling me his plan to kill this guy. Tells me his brother's name. His brother's going to help him. And then he's. I hear him something, like, mumble something about $40,000.
And I was like, what was that? I missed. And then we get a little closer, and he's like, yeah, man, I'll give you. I'll give you 20 grand if you. If you pick up my brother.
And we, like, give us a minute to get our stuff and come back and kill this guy. And I was like. In my head, I'm like, this is the worst criminal ever. Because the whole thing is being documented as I'm driving around for Uber.
And also, like, I'm in a bright green Subaru.
Seth
00:16:11.190 - 00:16:11.470
Yeah.
Will
00:16:11.470 - 00:16:52.620
Like, it's not like. Like a car that, like. Oh, man, there's so many. You know, like a gray silver Camry. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, it's like, it' oh, no.
There's three of these in the whole city. And we're gonna figure out which one drives Ruber. And it's. The whole case is done, you know, and so, like, keeps going, keeps going.
And then he's like, gets out of the car immediately, takes a piss. We're at his place, he takes a piss. So I can't drive away. Cause he's got the door open, taking a piss, basically on my wheels.
And I was like, this sucks. Oh, my God. And then he's like, all right, yes. So 20 grand. Know what? I can do 40. I'll do 40 grand. You just, like, wait a couple minutes.
And I was like, I just look at him. Went, no, man. And he was like, I knew you were a practical guy. And he was like, hey, I like.
And he's like, I like you, but check the news tomorrow because I'm gonna kill this. And he, like, shuts my door and walks.
Seth
00:16:52.700 - 00:16:53.140
God.
Will
00:16:53.140 - 00:17:13.910
And then I, like, I, I. I picked up one more thing. So I had a reason to be like, no, I gotta go, man. I gotta pick up somebody, you know?
And I pick up, like, this old guy who's just got off work and, you know, gets in the car, and he's had, like, one of those 12 hour days. You can tell he's been doing. He's been living life like this for, like, 50 of his 70 years.
He just gets in, he's tired, he's like, man, how's your day been? Just like, it's fine. It's fine.
Kyle
00:17:14.550 - 00:17:16.390
You're already a much better passenger.
Will
00:17:16.390 - 00:17:19.190
Yeah. So. So that was. That was my collateral.
Seth
00:17:19.190 - 00:17:19.750
Damn.
Will
00:17:19.830 - 00:17:31.430
And the funny thing is, he, like, where he lives, I pass that place all the time. Like, it's a very popular area. And I was like, tell me he owned the building. And I was like, you. You would be so easy to find if you killed this guy.
Kyle
00:17:31.430 - 00:17:31.910
Yeah.
Will
00:17:31.910 - 00:17:37.110
Like, if you actually own this building and everything. Like, I was like, you seem like the worst criminal that ever existed.
Seth
00:17:37.190 - 00:17:41.430
That's insane. At least it wasn't Tom Cruise with a terrible dye job.
Kyle
00:17:41.960 - 00:17:44.280
Yeah. There's a reason behind that dye job.
Will
00:17:44.280 - 00:17:46.440
That kept me from seeing that movie for so long.
Kyle
00:17:46.680 - 00:17:47.080
Really?
Will
00:17:47.080 - 00:17:49.360
Seriously. That was like, why? I was like. I was like, it doesn't look like.
Kyle
00:17:49.360 - 00:17:51.160
It'S one of Tom Cruise's best performances.
Seth
00:17:51.240 - 00:17:54.120
He did a really good job. But, yeah. The dye job.
Kyle
00:17:54.440 - 00:17:54.920
Yeah.
Seth
00:17:55.000 - 00:17:56.160
Yeah. I'm curious to hear.
Kyle
00:17:56.160 - 00:17:56.520
Yeah.
Seth
00:17:56.520 - 00:17:57.360
Why that happened. That.
Will
00:17:57.360 - 00:17:58.440
What if he brought it back now?
Seth
00:17:58.520 - 00:17:59.840
Yeah, Yeah.
Kyle
00:17:59.840 - 00:18:03.440
I know. He doesn't age and he's still hanging off the sides of planes doing stunts.
Seth
00:18:03.440 - 00:18:03.880
Yeah.
Kyle
00:18:05.080 - 00:18:19.120
The whole suit. I don't even have a random for it. I'll go into it now. The reason he did the. The gray hair and the gray suit is because.
And this is how crazy specific Michael Mann is. This is why I think you'd love the commentary. He purposely. For one. Like, one example, Michael Mann wanted him to have a finely tailored suit.
Seth
00:18:19.120 - 00:18:19.400
Yeah.
Kyle
00:18:19.400 - 00:18:26.560
But he did not want it to look like it was tailored in New York or London. It's a. It's a. Specifically, like a Thailand cut.
Seth
00:18:26.800 - 00:18:27.200
Oh.
Kyle
00:18:27.200 - 00:18:28.040
Like, it's like, what you would.
Will
00:18:28.040 - 00:18:29.360
It's got to be west coast, then.
Kyle
00:18:29.520 - 00:18:35.920
Yeah. Well, like. Like actually in Bangkok, though, because he wanted to put off the idea that when he's not here doing jobs, he lives in Thailand.
Will
00:18:35.920 - 00:18:36.360
Got it.
Kyle
00:18:36.360 - 00:18:43.100
And he dyes his hair and the goatee because he wanted him to be just grayed out so that he just kind of fades into the background.
Seth
00:18:43.100 - 00:18:43.780
That makes sense.
Kyle
00:18:43.780 - 00:18:45.460
This is a guy who just kind of weaves.
Will
00:18:45.460 - 00:18:45.820
Yeah.
Kyle
00:18:45.820 - 00:18:57.940
In and out. Because he. Michael Mann says that he's like. He probably doesn't actually have gray hair. He says, but we just needed him to be. Because think about it.
It's like if a guy in a taxicab shoots A bunch of people. And he's seen. And you have to describe him as a guy with gray hair and a gray suit.
Seth
00:18:57.940 - 00:18:58.340
Yeah.
Kyle
00:18:58.340 - 00:19:00.420
It's like, you're never gonna find that guy.
Will
00:19:00.420 - 00:19:01.060
Yeah, yeah.
Kyle
00:19:01.220 - 00:19:03.540
And then he flies back to Thailand, which.
Seth
00:19:03.910 - 00:19:08.070
Yeah, I gotta say, he just looked like a poorly aged Tony Stark.
Kyle
00:19:08.070 - 00:19:09.190
Yeah, yeah.
Seth
00:19:09.190 - 00:19:13.670
Like, it was. It was so the. The. It makes sense, but I don't know, it.
Kyle
00:19:13.990 - 00:19:15.390
I think a little distracting.
Seth
00:19:15.390 - 00:19:16.150
Little distracting?
Kyle
00:19:16.150 - 00:19:17.110
Distracting, Yeah.
Will
00:19:17.270 - 00:19:19.310
I think if it wasn't Tom Cruise, it wouldn't have been.
Kyle
00:19:19.310 - 00:19:20.390
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Will
00:19:20.550 - 00:19:24.190
Like, I think it's one of those where it's just because he's such a distinct looking person.
Seth
00:19:24.190 - 00:19:32.840
Yeah.
Well, you say that, though, but the whole time, for like, the first 15 minutes that mark Ruffalo was in the movie, I was like, why does this guy look like Michael Pena?
Kyle
00:19:33.310 - 00:19:33.910
Yeah, he did.
Seth
00:19:33.910 - 00:19:38.670
He looked so much like Michael Pena. It took me so long to realize that it was Mark Ruffalo.
Kyle
00:19:39.390 - 00:19:55.230
You know, it's funny, you're making. You actually made me think of a really interesting point.
Like, pre Internet, Tom Cruise, like, there are people whose personalities precede them in such a way that even when you're watching them on screen pretend to be something else, it's kind of hard to forget who they are.
Seth
00:19:55.230 - 00:19:55.550
Yeah.
Kyle
00:19:55.550 - 00:19:58.670
Tom Cruise before the age of the Internet, was that person.
Seth
00:19:58.670 - 00:19:59.070
Yeah.
Kyle
00:19:59.070 - 00:20:00.790
With the Katie Holmes stuff.
Seth
00:20:00.790 - 00:20:01.230
Oh, yeah.
Kyle
00:20:01.230 - 00:20:08.850
And the Nicole Kidman stuff and his. That was like, he. He was the. The celebrity that people obsessed over for years.
Will
00:20:08.850 - 00:20:09.450
Oh, yeah.
Kyle
00:20:09.530 - 00:20:22.610
While the Internet was coming in, like, you just would hear things about, like, Scientology and all the things, and so, like, you're glib. Yeah, yeah. It's hard, some people. It's kind of hard to shake the. The personality stuff that you know about.
Seth
00:20:22.610 - 00:20:22.930
Yeah.
Will
00:20:22.930 - 00:20:29.050
Because people, like, hated him for a minute too. There was, like, when people, like, I remember when Mission Impossible came out, one of the mission. I don't remember which one.
Seth
00:20:29.050 - 00:20:30.890
I think it was actually two, because it was awful.
Will
00:20:31.260 - 00:20:35.980
Oh, no, it was past that. Because I remember that's when I would hear people be like, oh, I just won't see Tom Cruise now.
Kyle
00:20:35.980 - 00:20:36.420
Yeah.
Will
00:20:36.420 - 00:20:39.780
And I remember in my head being like, is it like. It was like, before Cancel Culture too.
Kyle
00:20:39.780 - 00:20:40.140
Yeah.
Will
00:20:40.140 - 00:20:43.820
Where in my mind, where I was like, am I a bad person for seeing Tom Cruise? I still kind of like him.
Seth
00:20:43.820 - 00:20:45.620
It was probably all the Scientology stuff.
Will
00:20:45.620 - 00:20:47.780
Well, yeah, no, it was 100 stuff.
Seth
00:20:47.780 - 00:20:48.060
It was.
Kyle
00:20:48.060 - 00:20:55.180
He tried to turn Katie Holmes into a Scientology wife and try to get her inducted into it. That's at least what I heard. I don't keep up with celebrity. But I guess then I did.
Will
00:20:57.450 - 00:21:01.290
He brought her to Nashville. That empty building that I'm convinced nothing's in. They just own the building.
Seth
00:21:01.290 - 00:21:05.050
My friend has gone to that, and they actually do meet. There's.
Will
00:21:05.130 - 00:21:06.010
There's five people.
Seth
00:21:06.410 - 00:21:08.250
No, it's a whole fucking congregation.
Will
00:21:08.250 - 00:21:08.570
Yeah.
Kyle
00:21:08.570 - 00:21:08.930
Yeah.
Seth
00:21:08.930 - 00:21:12.650
But literally, he said the moment he walked in the door, like, four people tried to get his email address.
Will
00:21:13.130 - 00:21:19.610
Yeah. I had some friends sit in on it once, and they said they had to watch a movie.
And it's like it was just the two of them in a theater, and they were like, we're being watched.
Seth
00:21:19.610 - 00:21:19.930
Yeah.
Kyle
00:21:19.930 - 00:21:32.400
Like, was it Vanilla Sky? Oh, maybe you've been abducted by a man with a bad dye job and a Bangkok suit.
Seth
00:21:32.400 - 00:21:32.840
Yeah.
Kyle
00:21:33.000 - 00:21:44.440
And you haven't shared Movie wars yet. And in your last dying breath, that's what you're gonna say. You're gonna say, I should have shared Movie Wars.
And then some guy's gonna kill you because you're not doing a very good driving around. You're not doing a good job.
Seth
00:21:44.920 - 00:21:49.790
Then you wreck the car and flip him, and then he somehow survives, and you somehow survive and almost get arrested.
Will
00:21:50.020 - 00:21:50.220
Dude.
Kyle
00:21:50.220 - 00:21:51.460
And you didn't watch Will Special.
Seth
00:21:51.620 - 00:21:52.100
Yeah.
Kyle
00:21:52.340 - 00:21:55.580
You are not the pride of Hagertown. You are. Is it that right?
Will
00:21:55.580 - 00:21:56.180
Hagerstown.
Kyle
00:21:56.180 - 00:21:58.180
Hagerstown. Sorry, I always say it wrong.
Seth
00:21:58.180 - 00:21:58.900
You were the shame.
Kyle
00:21:58.900 - 00:22:06.300
You were the shame of that town. You of that town. You deserve everything coming your way. Share Movie Wars.
Will
00:22:06.300 - 00:22:12.020
Love you. See, I love that you said that, because that is my. That is my. My villain arc.
Kyle
00:22:12.100 - 00:22:12.580
Yeah.
Will
00:22:12.660 - 00:22:16.380
That is what I want. I want to become so famous that at some point, I do become the shame of Hagerstown.
Kyle
00:22:16.380 - 00:22:16.580
Yes.
Seth
00:22:16.580 - 00:22:17.060
There you go.
Will
00:22:17.210 - 00:22:21.410
And then. And then I have to. You know, then I have to. Robert Downey Jr. And completely like.
Kyle
00:22:21.410 - 00:22:22.930
Yeah. LeBron James. It.
Will
00:22:22.930 - 00:22:23.650
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Kyle
00:22:23.650 - 00:22:24.730
Like Cleveland. Yeah.
Will
00:22:24.730 - 00:22:25.450
Come all the way back.
Kyle
00:22:25.450 - 00:22:28.610
I do like that art. And then along the way, you pick up, like, a hybrid religion.
Seth
00:22:28.610 - 00:22:29.010
Yeah.
Kyle
00:22:29.010 - 00:22:35.370
Like a. Like an east mysticism, Christianity, you know, some strange politics from Greenland.
Will
00:22:35.370 - 00:22:35.770
Yeah.
Kyle
00:22:35.770 - 00:22:36.250
Mold.
Seth
00:22:36.330 - 00:22:38.610
Russell. Russell Brand, but less rapey.
Will
00:22:38.610 - 00:22:46.300
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, just, like, some enlightenment. Like, they're like, oh, what. What got you? Like, how did you find enlightenment?
You're like, I just stopped drinking.
Kyle
00:22:46.300 - 00:22:49.260
I became. I became the shame.
Will
00:22:49.340 - 00:22:56.660
Yeah. And then I became the shame. And then I got so, so dark. When you had. Yeah, I actually took the Aaron Rodgers model.
Kyle
00:22:56.660 - 00:22:57.100
Yeah.
Will
00:22:57.420 - 00:23:01.260
And I just sat in a cave for three days. It came out was like, I should go to the Jets.
Kyle
00:23:02.540 - 00:23:07.180
That, that, that documentary my wife may be watching. I love football, but I was like, I don't want to hear Aaron Rodgers.
Will
00:23:07.180 - 00:23:08.260
Talk for a documentary.
Kyle
00:23:08.260 - 00:23:20.770
Yeah, it's like a three part. It's really interesting.
But the funniest takeaway for me was like the whole things about him doing ayahuasca is he wanted to find himself and become a better person. He just becomes more annoying and a worse person. But the whole time he's talking about how he's becoming a better person.
Seth
00:23:20.770 - 00:23:21.130
Yeah.
Kyle
00:23:21.130 - 00:23:24.410
I'm like, dude, stop doing ayahuasca. It's actually making you worse.
Will
00:23:24.570 - 00:23:50.090
You're honestly with some celebrities like, like, especially like, like athletes. I don't, I don't think we need to put pressure on them to be like good, good or bad people to a degree. You know what I mean?
Like, like because you have to, you, your whole life has to be just football or basketball when you're coming up until you get to a certain point and then there's like a 13 year career where like you're doing just commercial. Like the only escape from football is like doing a commercial.
Seth
00:23:50.090 - 00:23:50.410
Yeah.
Will
00:23:50.410 - 00:24:01.290
You know, and you don't really have any time. It's like, it's like child actors when they become like crazy at 25 or 26, it's like, well, yeah.
Because they were expected to be a 30 year old man when they were eight.
Seth
00:24:01.290 - 00:24:01.730
Yeah.
Will
00:24:01.730 - 00:24:03.290
You know, like they've lost their childhood.
Seth
00:24:03.290 - 00:24:05.290
They don't know how to pay taxes at 7.
Kyle
00:24:05.370 - 00:24:05.690
Yeah.
Will
00:24:05.690 - 00:24:13.160
Like they don't know how to be a person. So I don't, I really don't think we should ever be like, like when, when like Aaron Rodgers like, hey, this is the thing I'm doing.
We're all like, this guy sucks.
Seth
00:24:13.160 - 00:24:13.440
Yeah.
Will
00:24:13.440 - 00:24:16.680
Yeah, he does suck. But also we shouldn't be making a documentary about it in the first place.
Kyle
00:24:16.680 - 00:24:18.160
Yeah, no, it's a good point. Yeah.
Seth
00:24:18.160 - 00:24:19.320
This is on us especially.
Kyle
00:24:19.400 - 00:24:23.480
And it's like, and I hate politicians. I hate all of them. I don't care what side. Like I hate them all.
Seth
00:24:23.480 - 00:24:23.880
Yeah.
Kyle
00:24:24.280 - 00:24:36.850
And them. And it's not making that endorsement.
I just even, I just even decided I'm not even an independent anymore because that like suggests that and there's a Venn diagram in the middle that you can maybe take the best. There's no.
Will
00:24:37.330 - 00:24:46.370
Oh yeah. Because then you can't vote. I was an independent for a long time because I was like, I'm just going to stay here.
Like when I was like 18 and they were like, hey, you're 18 years old. You should make a decision that's going to affect the rest of your life. And I was like, no problem.
Kyle
00:24:46.530 - 00:24:55.730
Yeah, the questions, the questions, the questions. Is the least believable thing about this movie. A cabbie getting a D or getting the DA's phone number.
Seth
00:24:58.050 - 00:25:05.340
I mean, it is Jamie Foxx we're talking about. Like, yeah, doesn't. It doesn't matter if he looks slightly like Eddie Murphy in this movie, he's still getting numbers.
Kyle
00:25:05.340 - 00:25:05.740
Yeah.
Will
00:25:05.740 - 00:25:08.140
I mean, to be fair, I have the DA of New York's number.
Kyle
00:25:08.220 - 00:25:08.940
There you go.
Will
00:25:09.260 - 00:25:10.060
It's not that.
Seth
00:25:10.220 - 00:25:12.460
Well, you are the pride of Hagerstown. You are mean.
Will
00:25:12.540 - 00:25:18.820
Yeah, I know some people. You know what I mean? You know, you start walking around, you're throwing out the first pitch at a minor league stadium.
Kyle
00:25:18.820 - 00:25:21.780
Yeah. Yeah. That changes your trajectory, I think.
Will
00:25:21.780 - 00:25:23.780
I think it is. I think it's like, what is it.
Seth
00:25:23.780 - 00:25:27.260
Minor league or was. Were there minors playing and the Little league?
Will
00:25:28.460 - 00:25:34.840
Like, they did. They asked me to not do it. I just walked out like, hold up, kid. I'm throwing the first pitch like the game started.
Kyle
00:25:35.640 - 00:25:36.680
Move, Jimmy.
Seth
00:25:36.840 - 00:25:38.120
It's the third inning.
Will
00:25:39.320 - 00:25:41.320
Look, I made out your sister once. Get out of the way.
Kyle
00:25:41.880 - 00:25:49.640
Yeah, this made me think of other cab. My second favorite movie all time is Taxi Driver.
And like, you look at Robert Dairo in that movie, it's like, yeah, he wasn't getting nobody's numbers.
Will
00:25:50.360 - 00:25:51.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Kyle
00:25:51.480 - 00:26:01.400
Jamie looks a little too good to be. And listen, I'm not trying to on cab drivers. I'm just saying, like, I've taken many cabs in New York and I'm. I'd never got the Jamie Foxx.
Seth
00:26:01.400 - 00:26:02.280
Hey, cabbie.
Kyle
00:26:03.000 - 00:26:03.480
It was.
Seth
00:26:03.480 - 00:26:05.520
It was temporary and it was la. It was in New York.
Kyle
00:26:05.520 - 00:26:07.640
That's true. I actually never took a cab in la.
Will
00:26:08.040 - 00:26:08.520
I don't.
Seth
00:26:08.520 - 00:26:09.440
I took plenty of Ubers.
Will
00:26:09.440 - 00:26:09.840
Yeah.
Seth
00:26:09.840 - 00:26:15.560
I got driven by a guy who grows mushrooms and he invited me to come back and do yoga and take mushrooms with him.
Will
00:26:15.560 - 00:26:18.960
So, no, Uber and Lyft were out by the time I got to la, so I don't think I took any cabs.
Kyle
00:26:18.960 - 00:26:19.480
Yeah.
Will
00:26:19.480 - 00:26:37.240
Or we drove. Like, that was the. That I remember that being like.
Because I was in college the first time I went, and I remember being that, like, one of the taboo things were like, yeah, yeah, people. People just like, drink and drive here. What? They're like, yeah. I mean, we always have, like a designated driver, but they still have, like a couple.
Yeah, we were like, you know, college kids. We were like, yeah, you know.
Seth
00:26:37.240 - 00:26:37.880
Oh, my God.
Kyle
00:26:37.960 - 00:26:40.200
Designated just means they can formulate sentences.
Will
00:26:40.360 - 00:26:40.720
Yeah.
Kyle
00:26:40.720 - 00:26:41.520
If they can do that.
Will
00:26:41.520 - 00:26:52.760
Well, I remember there were some bars we went to that they were like, all right, who's your. Who's your driver? And, like, they would give us a wristband and, like, you go to the bar and they'd be like, yep, you're not drinking.
You'd be like, I'm gonna get this off, and you just rip it, you know?
Kyle
00:26:53.000 - 00:26:56.410
Yeah. But, yeah, it's funny now we both quit drinking.
Seth
00:26:56.570 - 00:26:57.050
Yeah.
Kyle
00:26:57.450 - 00:26:59.130
Now it's just like, what's it all for?
Will
00:26:59.210 - 00:27:01.930
Now I'm just driving. Like, this was way more fun before.
Kyle
00:27:02.730 - 00:27:04.090
We're always designated.
Seth
00:27:04.890 - 00:27:06.490
I hate that I can remember this.
Kyle
00:27:06.730 - 00:27:09.170
Yeah. So weird. I do love club soda.
Will
00:27:09.170 - 00:27:13.970
Waking up and not being surprised that I got home. Yeah. Whoa. Yeah, there we are.
Seth
00:27:13.970 - 00:27:15.210
There's something to look forward to.
Will
00:27:15.930 - 00:27:17.010
Come out, the car's there.
Kyle
00:27:17.010 - 00:27:23.810
You're like, damn it, I didn't run over anybody or anything. Very weird. Very weird.
Will
00:27:23.810 - 00:27:26.070
Oh, no. I don't have any missing parts of my car.
Kyle
00:27:26.070 - 00:27:26.550
Yeah.
Will
00:27:27.270 - 00:27:29.190
My tires aren't shredded for some reason.
Seth
00:27:29.270 - 00:27:32.470
Oh, damn. There's not an entire deer embedded into my windshield.
Will
00:27:32.470 - 00:27:39.350
Yeah, yeah, right. I'll deal with this one tomorrow. Made it home, though. I'm like, on my neighbor's. My neighbor's driveway.
Kyle
00:27:40.310 - 00:27:47.390
Second question. So there is this undertone. You kind of alluded to it with it being Jamie Fox because he was a standup comedian. I guess he still is.
I guess he's still trying to do stuff.
Will
00:27:47.390 - 00:27:47.950
He did. He.
Seth
00:27:47.950 - 00:27:55.990
He did a one man show. It was definitely not. Not strictly standup. It was a one man show. Kind of like, very funny TED Talk kind of situation.
Kyle
00:27:56.150 - 00:27:58.430
Is that also the one where he had, like, a bunch of Diddy subtext.
Seth
00:27:58.430 - 00:27:59.990
Where he was kind of like, oh, not even subtext.
Kyle
00:27:59.990 - 00:28:00.230
Really?
Seth
00:28:00.230 - 00:28:01.350
I'm pretty sure he flat out.
Kyle
00:28:02.070 - 00:28:03.630
Yeah, yeah, man.
Will
00:28:03.630 - 00:28:16.670
I need to see that because I.
He was one of the people I got to work with at the Oscars, and, like, I've never seen his stand up, so I can't comment to it, but, like, he is one of those people that. And there's not a lot, but, like, he walked in and, like, immediately you feel better.
Seth
00:28:16.670 - 00:28:17.030
Yeah.
Kyle
00:28:17.030 - 00:28:17.230
Yeah.
Will
00:28:17.230 - 00:28:22.560
Like, he has a. He does have an aura around him. And he's like, not. He's just a very, very funny, entertaining human.
Kyle
00:28:22.560 - 00:28:23.000
Yeah.
Seth
00:28:23.240 - 00:28:24.720
His impressions are incredible.
Will
00:28:24.720 - 00:28:25.120
Yeah.
Seth
00:28:25.120 - 00:28:25.960
Like, so good.
Kyle
00:28:26.120 - 00:28:26.440
Yeah.
Seth
00:28:26.440 - 00:28:27.240
What everybody.
Kyle
00:28:27.240 - 00:28:31.560
What you hear from other comedians that worked with him at the time was that he was not someone you wanted to follow.
Will
00:28:31.960 - 00:28:41.240
Yeah. Because he just, like, he Lights up a room like, he. He snuck. We were doing a rehearsal. We were doing the dance number for the Lego Movie.
I don't know if you remember. That was the year Neil Patrick Harris was the host.
Seth
00:28:41.240 - 00:28:41.600
Yeah.
Will
00:28:41.600 - 00:29:00.750
So we're doing the dance number for the Lego Movie, and, like, we, like, without, like, I don't know, like, half the dancers just stopped working, and we were like, what is going on?
So, like, you know, the director yells, cut, and we all turn, and Jamie Foxx is, like, giving one of them a back rub, like, telling some joke, and we're like. And, like, they're all just, like, laughing, having a great time, and we're like, oh, this is the only person that could interrupt the rehearsal.
Kyle
00:29:00.750 - 00:29:01.070
Yeah.
Will
00:29:01.070 - 00:29:01.510
Okay.
Seth
00:29:01.510 - 00:29:02.870
Yeah. Literally. Yeah.
Will
00:29:02.870 - 00:29:04.430
We're all, like, upset because we weren't part of it.
Seth
00:29:04.430 - 00:29:04.670
Yeah.
Kyle
00:29:04.670 - 00:29:10.830
You know, so knowing the subtext, let's pretend like he's not a comedian in real life, as comedians.
Seth
00:29:10.830 - 00:29:11.270
Yeah.
Kyle
00:29:11.430 - 00:29:14.070
In this situation, how would you react if you were maxed?
Seth
00:29:14.230 - 00:29:20.230
I. Yeah, probably. Probably the same way. The moment, like, a gun comes out, I'm just like, all right, it. I'm here.
Will
00:29:20.230 - 00:29:21.310
Let's. Yeah.
Seth
00:29:21.310 - 00:29:22.150
Get me through this.
Kyle
00:29:22.630 - 00:29:23.110
Yeah.
Seth
00:29:23.190 - 00:29:24.630
Either way, I'm gonna die pro.
Kyle
00:29:25.090 - 00:29:26.770
So you wouldn't comment on the dye job?
Seth
00:29:27.170 - 00:29:29.650
I mean, I might have before the gun came out.
Will
00:29:30.210 - 00:29:33.850
I should have known with a hair, like, hairstyle like that.
Seth
00:29:33.850 - 00:29:34.290
Yeah.
Kyle
00:29:34.290 - 00:29:35.970
You were gonna pull a gun on me, man.
Seth
00:29:38.210 - 00:29:40.370
Looks like you matched your suit to your hair today.
Will
00:29:40.530 - 00:29:43.930
Yeah. I feel like it's gonna be one of those. We just go, what are you gonna do with that?
Seth
00:29:43.930 - 00:29:44.450
Yeah.
Kyle
00:29:45.250 - 00:29:46.570
Where are you taking that haircut?
Seth
00:29:46.570 - 00:29:48.450
Save some for the rest of us.
Will
00:29:50.370 - 00:29:54.220
I meant the gun, but, yeah. Yeah.
Kyle
00:29:54.220 - 00:29:56.660
How about you? You've kind of been there already.
Will
00:29:56.660 - 00:30:09.300
Yeah.
You just kind of accept it, and you're just like, all right, well, because I had a gun pulled on me once, and it is, like, one of those moments for you. Just, like. I mean, it was completely an act. Of all the times having a gun pulled on you can be an accident. It was actually a genuine accident.
Kyle
00:30:09.940 - 00:30:10.300
Yeah.
Will
00:30:10.300 - 00:30:25.860
It was in Brooklyn back in 2011, and I was, like, banging on the door to get into this apartment, my apartment complex, that my key wasn't working, and I couldn't get my roommates to wake up. So my second floor guy came out, and he just like, you know, there's just a guy banging on the door at 3am Right? In Bushwick.
Seth
00:30:25.860 - 00:30:27.100
Hey, that's you doing?
Will
00:30:27.260 - 00:30:59.840
Yeah, he just opened the door, and he was just like, what's up? I was like, oh, I live upstairs. Sorry, man, we haven't met. Like, I just. I'm locked out. And he was like, oh, okay.
And I'm walking by and he's like, holding his gun. And I was like, fucking gun. And he was like, yeah, dude, sorry. And then, like, the next day, I ran into him. He was smoking. Smoking out front.
And he was like, dude, I was just telling my friend about you. I'm so sorry for having the gun on me. Blah, blah. I was like, nah, man. I'm banging on the door, three of them. He was like, yeah.
He's like, dude, I'm a security guard. That's why I have a gun. And he's also. Someone broke into my car the other night, and there's, like, a lot of gang shit that happens around here.
He's like, also, you shouldn't be walking around at 3am And I was like, life experiences are learned, you know? Yeah.
Seth
00:30:59.840 - 00:31:32.070
Yeah.
I think only the craziest thing that happened to me while I was driving for Lyft was I picked up one girl and she was, like, hammered and was on the phone bitching about someone, and then she just hangs up and starts talking to me. And she's like, I'm just so tired of all the work discrimination. Like, it's not my fault my boobs are so big.
Like, you can't fire me because I got big boobs. And I'm literally just, like, sneaking a look in the mirror. I'm like, what is your definition of too big? Like, what's going on here?
They weren't too big, but, yeah, it was. That's the weirdest thing that happened to me while I was driving.
Kyle
00:31:32.070 - 00:31:35.270
How about those Mets? Did you watch that Aaron Rodgers documentary or what?
Will
00:31:35.270 - 00:31:37.270
Yeah. It just changes the subject immediately.
Kyle
00:31:37.350 - 00:31:37.830
Yeah.
Seth
00:31:38.790 - 00:31:40.950
Those mats wouldn't know anything about that.
Kyle
00:31:42.070 - 00:31:47.190
I think I. When I get under pressure or I'm, like, really stressed, I. I talk angrily at myself.
Seth
00:31:47.190 - 00:31:47.630
Yeah.
Kyle
00:31:47.630 - 00:31:52.710
Like, even if, like, I stub my toe, I like, you idiot. You would stop your toe, you piece of.
Will
00:31:53.160 - 00:31:53.360
Yeah.
Seth
00:31:53.360 - 00:31:56.200
And, like, you're just in the front seat. Fucking stupid. Yeah.
Kyle
00:31:56.200 - 00:31:57.880
I knew I'd fucking die at work.
Seth
00:31:57.880 - 00:31:58.520
I knew it.
Will
00:31:58.600 - 00:32:04.360
Yeah. I don't even know who I'm talking to when I. Because I know what you're talking about. And I do that, too. But, like, I'm not talking to me.
I'm talking to, like, something.
Kyle
00:32:04.360 - 00:32:04.720
Yeah.
Will
00:32:04.720 - 00:32:13.640
Just, you know, like, I slammed my universe. My elbow on, like, the fridge last night. I was, like, grabbing because I just was driving all day yesterday and Like, I slammed my elbow.
I just went, come on.
Seth
00:32:14.920 - 00:32:15.360
Yes.
Will
00:32:15.360 - 00:32:21.040
And I don't even know who it was for. I don't know if it was for me. For God. Like, I just. Like. I was just like, come on. And so you do it too. Yeah. Yeah.
Kyle
00:32:21.040 - 00:32:25.380
So glad. My wife has overheard me in my office talking out loud.
Seth
00:32:25.460 - 00:32:27.380
My wife, they say it's like, a sign of intelligence.
Will
00:32:27.380 - 00:32:27.700
Someone.
Kyle
00:32:27.780 - 00:32:28.140
Really?
Seth
00:32:28.140 - 00:32:29.860
Yeah. Talk to yourself. Yeah.
Kyle
00:32:30.340 - 00:32:31.860
That I'm Einstein, dude.
Will
00:32:31.860 - 00:32:32.500
Oh, yeah.
Kyle
00:32:32.580 - 00:32:33.220
Oh, my God.
Will
00:32:33.220 - 00:32:40.820
Smart boys change the name. It's the smart boy pod now. Yes. It's just you and I talking to ourselves.
Seth
00:32:42.340 - 00:32:51.210
That's just watching. Being like, this stereo. So it's coming through. You're coming through this ear. You're coming through this ear.
And it's the most, like, confusing schizophrenic conversation ever.
Kyle
00:32:51.210 - 00:32:54.650
We just get three rooms, microphone in each, and we just record. Just.
Will
00:32:55.370 - 00:33:03.850
And then we just throw it together. Billy. Billy Wayne Davis tweeted something about, you know, J.D. vance. Like, just, like, everything he touches dies.
Seth
00:33:03.850 - 00:33:04.090
Yeah.
Will
00:33:04.090 - 00:33:04.890
Like, including the Pope.
Kyle
00:33:04.890 - 00:33:05.210
Yeah.
Will
00:33:05.210 - 00:33:08.770
Like, he had that thing where, like, the. He lifted up that trophy and it fell apart.
Seth
00:33:08.770 - 00:33:09.210
Yeah.
Will
00:33:09.450 - 00:33:18.110
And, like, Billy Wayne Davis reposted that picture, and he was like. He just, like, I've never seen a guy, like, trying so hard knowing that he's not supposed to be here.
Seth
00:33:18.110 - 00:33:18.510
Yeah.
Will
00:33:18.510 - 00:33:25.430
You know, like, when you get to that moment, you're like, I'm not supposed to. This party's way too cool for me to be here. And I was like, he looks like a golfer that always talks to himself.
Kyle
00:33:25.430 - 00:33:25.750
Yeah.
Will
00:33:25.750 - 00:33:29.670
You know, like. You know, like, they cut to, like, the golfers, like, they had a badge, and they're like, come. Come on.
Seth
00:33:29.670 - 00:33:30.030
Yeah.
Will
00:33:30.030 - 00:33:34.110
Like, he looks like he says at every moment of the day, just, like, come on, J.D. then you find out.
Kyle
00:33:34.110 - 00:33:34.510
Yeah.
Will
00:33:34.510 - 00:33:40.030
Find out, J.D. his accent gets progressively more Southern because he's faking it the whole time, you know, like.
Kyle
00:33:40.030 - 00:33:40.510
Yeah.
Seth
00:33:40.590 - 00:33:42.070
Starts calling himself Alice.
Will
00:33:42.070 - 00:33:42.430
Yeah.
Kyle
00:33:42.430 - 00:33:43.790
That dude stubbed his toe a lot.
Will
00:33:44.120 - 00:33:46.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But just, like, the toe is life.
Kyle
00:33:48.680 - 00:33:57.800
That's hysterical. I can kind of relate to that, though, because I do have days where I'm like, everything I did today sucked, and I killed some stuff. Every.
I ruined everything today.
Seth
00:33:57.880 - 00:34:09.160
Do you have the conclusion that I probably can never invite JD Vance over because Harry has formed such a perfect couch into the couch that I'm really scared that J.D. vance would just start my couch.
Will
00:34:09.560 - 00:34:17.300
I was like, how you started that sentence? And I thought, in what world is JD Vance on your couch?
Seth
00:34:17.300 - 00:34:17.900
You never know.
Kyle
00:34:17.900 - 00:34:20.100
Well, you're Replacing him. He was supposed to be our guest today.
Will
00:34:20.900 - 00:34:21.900
Did he actually watch the movie?
Seth
00:34:21.900 - 00:34:24.580
He did both of them, and then.
Kyle
00:34:24.580 - 00:34:25.540
He tariffed both of them.
Seth
00:34:25.540 - 00:34:25.940
Yeah.
Will
00:34:26.419 - 00:34:38.020
Oh, God. Yeah. But no, when you finished that and you were like, oh, he's gonna fuck my couch, I was like, oh, there it is. There it is.
Okay, now it makes sense. I thought I was like, oh, these visions of grandeur where you're like, yeah, and next week we got Donald J. Trump. Yeah.
Seth
00:34:38.740 - 00:34:39.140
Almost.
Kyle
00:34:40.950 - 00:34:41.590
Randos.
Seth
00:34:41.670 - 00:34:42.470
Randos.
Kyle
00:34:43.110 - 00:34:44.070
Oh, yeah.
Seth
00:34:44.310 - 00:34:44.990
Oh, yeah.
Kyle
00:34:44.990 - 00:34:47.270
Oh, I love how my voice sounds in this microphone.
Will
00:34:47.830 - 00:34:48.950
They're good microphones.
Kyle
00:34:48.950 - 00:34:54.150
This is crazy. Before Tom Cruise and Jamie Foxx, this was going to be Russell Crowe and Adam Sandler.
Will
00:34:55.270 - 00:34:56.510
Hold on. Are you serious?
Seth
00:34:56.510 - 00:34:58.910
Hold on. Who was. Who. Who was playing who?
Will
00:34:58.910 - 00:35:02.150
This would have been like, Adam Sandler's kind of like, maybe I can be a serious actor.
Kyle
00:35:02.150 - 00:35:02.510
Yeah.
Seth
00:35:02.510 - 00:35:04.870
Like, this was that time uncut gems before uncut gems.
Will
00:35:04.870 - 00:35:06.880
Yeah. He was doing like, he did Paul Thomas Anderson.
Kyle
00:35:07.590 - 00:35:08.470
Yeah. Punch Drunk love.
Will
00:35:08.470 - 00:35:08.710
Yeah.
Seth
00:35:08.710 - 00:35:10.710
So wait, who was. Who was gonna play Russell Crowe?
Kyle
00:35:10.710 - 00:35:11.430
Was gonna be Vincent.
Seth
00:35:11.750 - 00:35:12.310
Okay.
Kyle
00:35:13.910 - 00:35:14.950
I don't hate it.
Seth
00:35:15.430 - 00:35:17.550
Could have been interesting, I think.
Will
00:35:17.550 - 00:35:17.950
Yeah.
Kyle
00:35:17.950 - 00:35:25.790
What's funny is Adam Sandler turned it down because he was working on Spanglish, and. But the reason he turned it down, because he did. He didn't know if he could play this dark of a role.
Seth
00:35:25.790 - 00:35:26.190
Yeah.
Kyle
00:35:26.190 - 00:35:32.350
Which is funny because eventually he would play some pretty dark roles. And so now I'm like, I actually think that could have worked.
Will
00:35:32.350 - 00:35:35.170
Yeah. Like old Nikki when he was the devil's son. That was very dark.
Seth
00:35:35.170 - 00:35:35.570
Yeah.
Kyle
00:35:35.570 - 00:35:40.250
Yeah. Well, uncut gems is like. That's like. That's funny. Yeah. Okay, here's what you did there.
Seth
00:35:40.250 - 00:35:40.890
The weird thing.
Will
00:35:40.890 - 00:35:43.370
I was like, yeah, obviously I'm a good.
Seth
00:35:43.370 - 00:35:53.730
The weird thing is I think that that could actually work, because unlike before the devil knows you're dead, which we covered, the script stands on its own in this case.
Kyle
00:35:53.730 - 00:35:54.170
Yeah.
Seth
00:35:54.250 - 00:36:01.450
Like, I think. I think Jamie Foxx and Jada Pinkett Smith and. And. And Tom Cruise and Mark Ruffalo all did a great job in their roles.
Kyle
00:36:01.450 - 00:36:01.780
Yeah.
Seth
00:36:02.170 - 00:36:20.730
But I think the script stood on its own enough that it could have easily been transferred to any competent actor, and it still would have been a good movie. So. No, I actually, I could see that work. I. Especially Russell Crowe back then, I think, could have played a very unassuming sociopathic killer.
Kyle
00:36:20.730 - 00:36:21.130
Yeah.
Seth
00:36:21.130 - 00:36:26.730
Like. Yeah. And I. I weirdly. Yeah. I also think 2004, Adam Sandler could have handled something like that.
Will
00:36:27.700 - 00:36:30.900
Has Russell Crowe ever played someone that Dark.
Seth
00:36:31.380 - 00:36:39.060
Oh, yeah. Recently. Well, he did that. That Pope horror film, but there was another one where he was some, like, redneck murderer in a truck.
Will
00:36:39.940 - 00:36:41.860
Yeah, I missed this one.
Seth
00:36:41.940 - 00:36:46.580
That was. Yeah, that was in the last couple of years since he's just enjoyed getting fat.
Will
00:36:46.660 - 00:36:55.490
Yeah. Why did he. Because he's. I feel like he was sort of like the same thing. We're talking about Tom Cruise, where it was like the Scientology stuff.
We were like, let's. Let's back up on Tom Cruise for a second. Why did Russell Crowe kind of disappear for a minute?
Seth
00:36:55.490 - 00:37:08.250
I think he was just happy with. With the big things that he had done and. And was ready to step back. And I know.
I know his parents have moved in with him and live on his ranch with him in the bush of Australia. He has a ranch that he literally, like.
Will
00:37:08.250 - 00:37:09.170
I thought you were joking.
Seth
00:37:09.570 - 00:37:10.530
No, no. 100.
Will
00:37:10.610 - 00:37:15.650
Until you got to. Until you got to. On his ranch. I was like. I was like, God damn it. Yeah.
Kyle
00:37:15.890 - 00:37:19.410
So I would do more movies if my parents moved in with me, if my dad wasn't dead.
Seth
00:37:19.890 - 00:37:39.170
Well, that's the thing is, like, his. Well, his dad did die, and so his. And the reason they moved in with him is because his dad was dying.
And so then after that happened, he told this whole story a while ago on how he went back to Italy with his mom, who hadn't been there since she had gone with. With his dad. So it was like a big thing.
Will
00:37:39.170 - 00:37:39.770
Oh, okay.
Seth
00:37:39.770 - 00:37:50.270
But I think he. I think he just wanted to step back and take more character driven roles. I mean, granted, he was in fucking Thor, Love and Thunder.
Like, he still takes big roles when he wants to.
Will
00:37:50.270 - 00:37:54.470
No, I mean, I liked. I liked the. The. Not the other guys. Nice guys.
Seth
00:37:54.470 - 00:37:54.750
Yeah.
Kyle
00:37:54.750 - 00:37:55.110
Yeah.
Will
00:37:55.270 - 00:37:57.190
I was like, yeah, this is fun. I haven't seen him in a while.
Seth
00:37:57.190 - 00:38:01.670
So I think he's just able to be picky, which is kind of the goal if you're gonna be an actor like that.
Will
00:38:01.990 - 00:38:04.710
What? Given the way that Gladiator 2 went.
Seth
00:38:04.870 - 00:38:05.670
I didn't see it.
Will
00:38:05.750 - 00:38:30.120
Okay. I sat back at some point and went, oh, this isn't a sequel. This is just an action movie. Yeah. And I was able to really enjoy it. But with if, If.
If they had had the hindsight of going, hey, we just made an action movie, I would have loved if Russell Crowe just, like, made an appearance, like, a proper appearance.
Like, and just like, there's like a, like, say, like, in the coliseum, and he just showed back up, like, almost like Rambo style, but with swords and just. Just Saved his son.
Kyle
00:38:31.080 - 00:38:31.520
Yeah.
Will
00:38:31.520 - 00:38:32.440
I would have been amped.
Seth
00:38:32.440 - 00:38:33.240
That would have been good.
Will
00:38:33.240 - 00:38:37.520
If they just be like, you know what? We tried to make a serious movie and. Yeah, really? We just made an action film.
Seth
00:38:37.520 - 00:38:37.960
Yeah.
Kyle
00:38:37.960 - 00:38:47.780
It's an interesting observation because there are actors who, like, dedicate themselves to that life in that world. Russell Crowe, I. I can't remember. We covered Gladiator like, three or four years ago.
Will
00:38:47.780 - 00:38:48.260
Okay.
Kyle
00:38:48.260 - 00:38:55.500
But I'm trying to remember. Russell Crowe was not the lead. He wasn't the lead to play that role originally. Like, he was not the first. No.
Seth
00:38:55.500 - 00:38:57.420
Because he was. He was pretty unknown.
Kyle
00:38:57.420 - 00:38:57.899
Unknown.
Will
00:38:57.899 - 00:38:59.220
Was it like, Mel Gibson or something?
Kyle
00:38:59.380 - 00:39:07.940
No. Well, I do. You might be right. Mel Gibson's name was tossed around both as director and as a actor for that one.
Will
00:39:07.940 - 00:39:11.060
He, like, won't get off. Like, he, like, won't stop talking about the Jews.
Seth
00:39:11.060 - 00:39:11.460
Yeah.
Kyle
00:39:12.500 - 00:39:14.480
This is. This is a different era.
Will
00:39:14.480 - 00:39:19.040
And you're like. The weird part is you are actually being historically accurate, but we don't think you're doing it on purpose.
Kyle
00:39:19.040 - 00:39:26.200
Yeah, I'm trying to remember. But anyway, I. That was one of those weird situations, and it doesn't happen often, but he just was propelled.
Seth
00:39:26.200 - 00:39:26.560
Yeah.
Kyle
00:39:26.560 - 00:39:26.880
To.
Will
00:39:27.040 - 00:39:29.080
Well, yeah. I mean, that movie was fantastic, and.
Kyle
00:39:29.080 - 00:39:32.560
It was just part of the cultural zeitgeist, you know, it just was such a cool.
Seth
00:39:32.640 - 00:39:35.640
It took the. The Best Picture Oscar from Fellowship of the Ring.
Kyle
00:39:35.640 - 00:39:36.000
Yeah.
Seth
00:39:36.000 - 00:39:36.560
Like. Yeah.
Kyle
00:39:37.360 - 00:39:38.240
Which is wild.
Seth
00:39:38.240 - 00:39:38.640
Yeah.
Will
00:39:38.640 - 00:39:43.310
And in my mind, those are two different. Different worlds, like, years even. You know what I mean? Yeah.
Seth
00:39:43.310 - 00:39:44.550
I mean, they came out the same year.
Will
00:39:44.550 - 00:39:49.310
No, no, no, I know, but I'm saying, in my mind, like, I even thought that that would be in contention with each other.
Seth
00:39:49.310 - 00:39:55.070
Yeah. Well, I mean, Gladiator was the summer blockbuster, and then Lord of the Rings was the Christmas kind of. Yeah. So, yeah.
Kyle
00:39:55.390 - 00:39:55.790
Yeah.
Seth
00:39:55.790 - 00:39:56.910
I could see how that would happen.
Kyle
00:39:56.990 - 00:40:04.390
But some people, like, maybe he got. This happens. Like, maybe he just got propelled to fame and he's like, yeah, I'm here. I'm getting good royalties on this.
Seth
00:40:04.390 - 00:40:24.660
I mean, he had some. Some bangers, like, for the next. Like, because he did A Beautiful Mind. He did Cinderella Man.
Like, he had Cinderella, whole series of bangers for the next 10 years. Really. I mean. I mean, almost 15 years. Because, I mean, I know Noah was kind of a bit of a.
Of a controversial movie, but I thought he did an incredible job in that movie.
Will
00:40:24.660 - 00:40:26.660
I only saw it once, and I honestly don't remember.
Kyle
00:40:26.660 - 00:40:27.580
I didn't know of that.
Seth
00:40:27.580 - 00:40:35.240
It's. It's very funny. It's. It's it's treated more like biblical mythology, which I kind of enjoyed, like this kind of fantastical view of it.
Will
00:40:35.630 - 00:40:39.910
Yeah, because that's like Tolkien's whole thing where he's like, myths are real because they had to come from somewhere.
Seth
00:40:39.910 - 00:40:40.470
Exactly.
Will
00:40:40.470 - 00:40:40.910
Yeah.
Seth
00:40:40.990 - 00:40:49.070
So again, it was controversial at the time, but I thought. I thought it was really good. And he was talking about how right after that is when he really took a step back.
Will
00:40:49.070 - 00:40:49.750
Oh, okay.
Kyle
00:40:49.750 - 00:40:55.070
One that doesn't get talked about enough to me is the other Ridley Scott movie, did Body of lies with Leonardo DiCaprio.
Seth
00:40:55.070 - 00:40:56.190
Oh, I haven't seen that one.
Kyle
00:40:56.190 - 00:40:59.750
Really good. There's a really gruesome scene in that movie. I won't say, but I love it.
Seth
00:40:59.750 - 00:41:07.350
He did a movie called Next Three Days where it's him breaking his wife out of prison. And that was a shockingly great movie. That really flew under the radar.
Will
00:41:07.350 - 00:41:09.430
I saw that one. Yeah, I don't remember it.
Kyle
00:41:09.750 - 00:41:12.070
This is called the Crow Appreciation Club.
Will
00:41:14.070 - 00:41:19.750
So would Collateral Ben, because I feel like Jamie Foxx, this would have been when he was kind of like starting to be taken more seriously. Right.
Seth
00:41:19.830 - 00:41:27.950
This was a couple years before Law Abiding Citizens. So this probably really pushed him out of the idea of being a comedian and became a serious actor.
Will
00:41:27.950 - 00:41:30.530
Yeah. And the one with Robert Downey Jr. When he's the violinist.
Kyle
00:41:30.840 - 00:41:31.120
Yep.
Will
00:41:31.120 - 00:41:32.280
The cellist. What's it called?
Kyle
00:41:32.280 - 00:41:34.760
Yeah, yeah, the. And then Ray would come out the next year.
Will
00:41:34.840 - 00:41:37.160
Oh, Ray, Ray. That's what. Yeah, yeah, that was the big one.
Seth
00:41:37.160 - 00:41:45.520
Yeah. As much as, like, I know this movie is. Is reasonably famous. I heard. I was. I've been re. Watching Psych.
And they actually just referred to it on an episode.
Kyle
00:41:45.520 - 00:41:45.880
Oh, really?
Seth
00:41:45.880 - 00:42:04.350
Yeah. That I watched recently. So it's like, I know it was in. In the Zeitgeist, but I didn't.
I don't think this was like such a big movie that it like propelled anyone to any type of stardom. But I think it really gave Jamie Foxx the opportunity to take on much bigger, more serious roles because he's not just a comedian anymore.
Will
00:42:04.430 - 00:42:31.780
Do you guys. Because you guys definitely know film way better than I do.
Do you think currently, or at least in the last like three or four years, because it's just something I'm sort of observing.
But I feel like it's harder to see someone kind of like just blow up the way these guys have, like, in terms of like, okay, like, I'll do this movie, then I'll do this movie, and then this one's a little bit like pushing me a little bit more as an actor and then I'll be taken seriously in this movie and then I do something very. I feel like now it's like Hollywood's like, hey, we have these five boys.
Seth
00:42:31.940 - 00:42:32.380
Yeah.
Will
00:42:32.380 - 00:42:36.020
And they're playing every role and you guys just have to swallow it.
Seth
00:42:36.100 - 00:43:13.840
There's a lot of that. But then every now and then you'll have someone like a Glen Powell who's in like three very famous movies right back to back in the same year.
And he's now kind of been been pushed into the heartthrob kind of situation. And I feel like you give him another three years and he'll pick an incredibly dark, character driven movie.
And while I don't think we really have any new movie stars, as much as people love Timothee Chalamet, he's not the reason Dune is doing well. Neither is Zendaya. It's the whole, whole thing of the film. But you don't really have movie stars that are the reason people go see movies anymore.
I think Glenn Powell is going to become the closest thing.
Kyle
00:43:13.840 - 00:43:15.480
Tom Hardy kind of in that.
Will
00:43:16.680 - 00:43:18.740
Ryan Gosling's another one. Like I'll see a movie just because.
Kyle
00:43:18.810 - 00:43:18.970
Because.
Seth
00:43:18.970 - 00:43:22.650
Oh yeah. But they're kind of the very end of that era.
Will
00:43:22.730 - 00:43:24.250
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.
Kyle
00:43:24.250 - 00:43:29.210
Tom Hardy's doing so many different. Like he's now, you know, with Venom. He's ventured into that world.
Will
00:43:29.210 - 00:43:29.610
Yeah.
Kyle
00:43:29.610 - 00:43:33.250
He's done incredible TV with Peaky Blinders. Like he is touched.
Seth
00:43:33.250 - 00:43:40.530
Very character driven. Indie movies. Lock. If you haven't seen that, that's one of the most incredible movies I've ever seen. Just in one location the whole time.
Kyle
00:43:40.530 - 00:43:41.370
We've got to cover it.
Seth
00:43:41.370 - 00:43:41.850
We do.
Kyle
00:43:41.850 - 00:43:42.650
I really want to.
Will
00:43:42.890 - 00:43:49.420
And what's the one where he plays the, the serial killer? Oh, like the base on the real guy.
Kyle
00:43:49.660 - 00:43:54.460
Oh, Bronson. Bronson by my favorite, one of my favorite directors, Nicholas Winden Refn.
Will
00:43:54.460 - 00:43:54.620
Yeah.
Seth
00:43:54.620 - 00:43:54.820
Yeah.
Kyle
00:43:54.820 - 00:43:55.900
That's incredible film.
Will
00:43:55.900 - 00:44:00.660
I also just like interviews with Tom Hardy are always like, he's just like everything about him. Like, what?
Seth
00:44:00.660 - 00:44:01.580
He's just a dude.
Will
00:44:01.580 - 00:44:07.180
Yeah, he's so great. Yeah, he's so great. Yeah. Like he'll like drop some like really profound statement and he's like silly.
Kyle
00:44:07.180 - 00:44:07.740
Yeah.
Will
00:44:08.380 - 00:44:14.300
This is actually so funny you mentioned Venoms. Because I still need to see the. Well, I have sort of seen the latest Venom.
Seth
00:44:14.300 - 00:44:14.660
Yeah.
Will
00:44:14.900 - 00:44:42.260
The day before I decided to stop drinking, I was like just kind of on like a three week bender and it was like my last day of like, what am I doing My life. So I went. I was like, you know, I'm going to go to the movies and I see Venom because I haven't been in the movie theaters in a while.
So I get out, get out to the mall and I buy my ticket. I have like a hard time buying my ticket, which is how I knew I was like hammered. And I sit down, I went to the bar, I bought a beer.
And I'm sitting there and I didn't realize I bought tickets. Those movies that, like, the chair shakes.
Seth
00:44:43.540 - 00:44:44.500
You go to 4D.
Will
00:44:44.580 - 00:45:13.760
So like all of a sudden, like, the movie's about to start. It just is like. And I was like, oh, no. At like the first scene, something like explodes and I just like throw my beer everywhere.
I am laughing maniacally in the back, like, just like throwing beer all over the place. Just like, this is, you know, it's like a $17 beer. Yeah. And I'm just like cracking up. And I was like, I just want to enjoy this movie.
So, like, you're down. It's like still shaking and falling all over me.
And I think I got like maybe an hour into it, and I think I bought another beer and it, like spilled that one too. And I was like, I gotta. I gotta get home.
Kyle
00:45:13.760 - 00:45:14.720
Thanks. Tom Hardy.
Will
00:45:14.720 - 00:45:17.400
Yeah. I don't remember anything.
Seth
00:45:17.400 - 00:45:18.120
Got him sober.
Will
00:45:18.200 - 00:45:18.560
Yeah.
Kyle
00:45:18.560 - 00:45:19.760
Tom Hardy is also sober.
Will
00:45:19.760 - 00:45:21.200
Yeah. Oh, is he? Yeah. There you go.
Kyle
00:45:21.200 - 00:45:24.120
So he's talked about it so bright a lot. So maybe there's. There's a kismet.
Will
00:45:24.840 - 00:45:38.710
Tom and I are gonna. When we make the Pride of Hagerstown a live action film. Tom Hardy plays me.
Everyone would be like, like, Will couldn't do any of this, like, for no reason. He's just like jumping between buildings.
Seth
00:45:39.830 - 00:45:47.430
They reenact your. Your gay bar story. Yeah. He's literally holding it up with his finger. Like, what are you talking about? Of course he's a man.
Kyle
00:45:47.590 - 00:45:49.429
He has to keep the English accent, though.
Will
00:45:50.390 - 00:45:54.070
Yeah, but he's also playing. But he's like playing 20 year old will.
Seth
00:45:54.150 - 00:45:54.630
Yeah.
Will
00:45:54.630 - 00:45:59.420
Now. And he doesn't shave or anything. They don't do any, like, any digital stuff to his skin. He's just like.
Kyle
00:45:59.490 - 00:45:59.730
Like.
Will
00:45:59.730 - 00:46:02.130
Right. Yeah. All right, David.
Kyle
00:46:02.290 - 00:46:05.010
When was the last time. Why was the last time my dad hugged me?
Will
00:46:06.370 - 00:46:08.330
They're like, this is actually kind of this, I believe.
Seth
00:46:08.330 - 00:46:08.770
Yeah.
Kyle
00:46:09.570 - 00:46:10.530
Cockney Will.
Will
00:46:12.050 - 00:46:13.410
Dreams, dreams.
Kyle
00:46:13.570 - 00:46:14.850
Rando number two.
Seth
00:46:14.850 - 00:46:15.490
Here we go.
Kyle
00:46:15.650 - 00:46:38.240
I love these stories.
I knew and I knew whenever I saw a taxi cab, I knew there was going to be some preparedness because, like, the way, like, Robert De Niro drove the cab around and after Godfather 2 and people were like, aren't you the guy of Godfather too? And he literally had his little license attached to his seat that said Robert Dairo. It's like, yeah, y. And. But Tom Cruise to.
To work on blending in, became a FedEx driver.
Seth
00:46:38.240 - 00:46:38.920
Oh, that's funny.
Will
00:46:38.920 - 00:46:39.480
Did he really?
Kyle
00:46:39.480 - 00:46:40.160
Yeah. And he.
Seth
00:46:40.160 - 00:46:48.080
He kind of like now was this like a Donald Trump at McDonald's kind of FedEx driver where it was like for an hour and he took pictures or couldn't find.
Kyle
00:46:48.080 - 00:46:51.240
I actually think Tom Cruise would go the full mile.
Will
00:46:51.240 - 00:46:52.680
He wear the hat.
Kyle
00:46:52.680 - 00:46:54.080
He's a dedicated motherfucker.
Seth
00:46:54.080 - 00:47:00.610
If Jared Leto can go pretend to be homeless for a month to study for Requiem for a Dream, then, yeah, I could see tomorrow Cruz doing this for a week.
Kyle
00:47:00.690 - 00:47:11.090
And he also did the John Wick thing where he. He was practicing. He was actually had like, officials govern coaching him on live ammunition so he could.
He really wanted to nail that, like, real, like, which is really good.
Seth
00:47:11.090 - 00:47:18.490
I mean. Yeah, if you're going to play a world renowned assassin, then. Yeah, you kind of have to be. You have to look the part. You have to be able to do.
Will
00:47:18.490 - 00:47:21.370
Like, you could, like. Because you can tell when someone's never held a gun.
Seth
00:47:21.370 - 00:47:21.730
Yeah.
Will
00:47:21.730 - 00:47:26.450
Like, immediately they're like, yep, here we go. You're like, no, no, that's.
Seth
00:47:26.760 - 00:47:29.080
That's thug mode. We need to go assassin mode.
Kyle
00:47:29.720 - 00:47:44.520
Yeah. This is incredible. And it's so funny because of how well it's done.
I never even questioned how they filmed this because I'm pretty sure they didn't do this in Taxi Driver, but they called the cab they filmed in the Pope Mobile because they sliced it in half. They installed a Plexiglas wall.
Seth
00:47:44.520 - 00:47:46.120
Oh, yeah, yeah, that's pretty common.
Kyle
00:47:46.120 - 00:48:03.410
And then they attached it to a plaque, like a Plexiglas encased trailer so that you couldn't hear any wind noises or anything like that. They had 30 light strips so they could control the lighting to make it like whatever they wanted to make it look more like the city inside.
They like rigged this thing out. It had. They're called electro luminescent panels.
Seth
00:48:03.410 - 00:48:03.730
Nice.
Kyle
00:48:03.730 - 00:48:08.010
And they had 30 of them in there. And like, that's how they made the whole thing look incredible on the inside.
Seth
00:48:08.010 - 00:48:08.290
Yeah.
Will
00:48:08.290 - 00:48:08.690
That's awesome.
Seth
00:48:08.690 - 00:48:12.530
Now that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. Literally. Yeah. Cutting a car in half like that, that's very common.
Kyle
00:48:12.530 - 00:48:12.850
Yeah.
Seth
00:48:12.850 - 00:48:14.130
In filmmaking. So that's really cool.
Will
00:48:14.130 - 00:48:16.610
Is there an Academy Award for like, the person that did that, that, like.
Seth
00:48:16.610 - 00:48:18.090
Rigged it up production design.
Will
00:48:18.330 - 00:48:19.850
They're design with that fell in there.
Kyle
00:48:20.080 - 00:48:24.160
They do. They do have those. They're called specialty Oscars. I only know that.
Will
00:48:24.400 - 00:48:24.840
Yeah.
Kyle
00:48:24.840 - 00:48:38.320
I've interviewed two winners of those for the show. So Mick Rogers, who's Mel Gibson stuntman, but he also. His claim to fame was he.
He got an Oscar for the MC rig, which is why Fast and Furious became such a good movie. Well, I say such a good movie. I don't like them.
Seth
00:48:38.480 - 00:48:40.160
But you know, Davis.
Will
00:48:40.480 - 00:48:42.400
But they popular franchise.
Kyle
00:48:42.400 - 00:48:45.610
Yes. It didn't change because originally they were just going to do it like they had always done it.
Will
00:48:45.610 - 00:48:45.850
Yeah.
Kyle
00:48:45.850 - 00:48:54.170
They were going to put the cars on trailers and. And he had this idea to cut the cars in half and attach them to these like trailer rigs.
Seth
00:48:54.170 - 00:48:54.530
Yeah.
Kyle
00:48:54.530 - 00:48:56.010
To make them go faster. And it.
Will
00:48:56.010 - 00:48:57.410
Tyrese can't drive like that.
Kyle
00:48:57.410 - 00:49:04.410
Yeah, I know. And. But it actually was safe enough to where the. The insurance companies would let the celebrities actually drive the cars.
Will
00:49:04.410 - 00:49:05.050
Oh, that's awesome.
Kyle
00:49:05.050 - 00:49:07.610
And so. And because Mick did that and he also used it for Twister.
Seth
00:49:07.930 - 00:49:08.530
That makes sense.
Kyle
00:49:08.530 - 00:49:19.360
Yeah. And so he actually sent me. I'll show you after.
But he said he emailed me pictures from him working on Twister using his MC rig for like the Bill Paxton scene when they hit the bridge and the tornado. That was the mc. But yeah, he got an Oscar for that. So.
Will
00:49:19.360 - 00:49:25.800
Okay, that's cool. That's good because I. That was one thing I liked about fall guys like giving recognition to things that we don't think about, you know?
Seth
00:49:25.800 - 00:49:26.160
Yeah.
Will
00:49:26.240 - 00:49:27.520
And so that's. That's awesome.
Seth
00:49:27.520 - 00:49:43.120
I like that they're doing stunt coordination awards, but they need to add stunt acting. They need to have two.
Two categories for that because the stunt actors don't get enough credit, even if the stunt choreographer is getting the credit. I think they both need the credit and they.
Kyle
00:49:44.000 - 00:49:45.360
They become filmmakers.
Seth
00:49:45.360 - 00:49:45.680
Yeah.
Kyle
00:49:45.680 - 00:49:51.600
Chad. Like these. Chad Stahelski is phenomenal filmmaker. The John Wick series. And he was Keanu's.
Seth
00:49:51.600 - 00:49:51.960
Yeah.
Kyle
00:49:51.960 - 00:50:03.280
The. The amount of pain that he has experienced on behalf of Keanu Reeves. He's. Broken ribs. He broke a leg on the Matrix. Yeah. These guys. Yeah.
Which is funny. Mick Rogers called him a. By the way, I asked him about that story. He's like.
Seth
00:50:03.280 - 00:50:03.520
He said.
Kyle
00:50:03.520 - 00:50:08.880
He complained about that. He's like, what a. He goes. If you're a stunt guy, you complain about breaking your leg.
Will
00:50:09.130 - 00:50:09.490
Hell yeah.
Kyle
00:50:09.490 - 00:50:09.850
Yeah.
Will
00:50:10.410 - 00:50:15.290
I like. I like the standard of pain. Like what the threshold supposed to be like the inappropriate amount. Yeah.
Kyle
00:50:15.290 - 00:50:54.950
Just like how Tom Cruise prepared Jamie Foxx did drive. He took real fares and he shadowed cabbies and heard their stories and he had them tell them like. Like you just did with your crazy stories.
Heard the crazy stories. That's how he prepared. And lastly, this is the part I thought you'd be most interested in as a filmmaker, the camera they use.
So this was one of the very first ground breaking digital films.
Yeah, he wanted it because there was a certain type of grain that he wanted when, especially with the city shots that he knew he could get that level of detail with analog.
And so they used what was called the Sony F900 Cine Alta and it was used with Viper film stream, which was a cutting edge, more immersive depiction of the city's nocturnal glow is what it says. But yeah, so that was apparently at the time that was like.
Seth
00:50:55.270 - 00:51:26.910
Yeah, no, that's crazy because. Yeah, that's the, that's the interesting thing, like thinking about that era of time. Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones both shot on film.
And then Revenge of the Sith, that was shot on 1080p digital. It was the only or the first Star wars movie to be shot on digital.
So, yeah, that whole, that whole era of time was a really weird transition over into digital filmmaking because it just. Even though the cameras were expensive, not having to continuously buy film was a huge money saver for people.
Will
00:51:26.910 - 00:51:28.150
Yeah, probably time as well.
Seth
00:51:28.150 - 00:51:29.470
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
Will
00:51:29.470 - 00:51:32.800
Yep. Stop. What's. What's. What are they saying to like, check the gate? Check the gate.
Kyle
00:51:32.800 - 00:51:39.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. Can we still say on the cutting room floor now it's like it's still called the cutting room on a hard drive somewhere.
Will
00:51:39.760 - 00:51:41.640
Yeah, yeah. In my downloads folder.
Seth
00:51:41.640 - 00:51:41.960
Yeah.
Will
00:51:41.960 - 00:51:43.200
That I haven't cleared out yet.
Kyle
00:51:43.760 - 00:51:44.880
Is it in your outbox?
Seth
00:51:44.880 - 00:51:45.160
Yeah.
Will
00:51:45.160 - 00:51:49.440
Next. Next to all the porn. No, I know, I know it's in here.
Seth
00:51:49.520 - 00:51:50.800
So much porn here.
Will
00:51:51.360 - 00:51:53.640
Just look. No, no, just walk out of the room for a second.
Kyle
00:51:53.640 - 00:51:54.200
Found it.
Will
00:51:54.200 - 00:51:55.200
You can't see this.
Seth
00:51:55.680 - 00:51:59.040
Clockwise rim job, counterclockwise rim job.
Kyle
00:52:00.460 - 00:52:02.180
Shall we catch a fair?
Seth
00:52:02.180 - 00:52:02.860
Let's do it.
Kyle
00:52:02.860 - 00:52:08.940
Shall we crash? Give the DAR phone number or get the phone number from the D. A. Let's war.
Seth
00:52:09.020 - 00:52:09.740
Let's do it.
Kyle
00:52:09.740 - 00:52:11.260
So we have seven categories, right?
Will
00:52:11.340 - 00:52:11.660
Right.
Kyle
00:52:11.660 - 00:52:39.170
And then we, for each category, we debate, we talk about our positions. And then obviously, because there's three of us, if two vote for the same thing, that's the win. So it's yes or no.
And then we score the movie that way. And then so we have a yes or no, but each like every Time we do a movie. Yes is like something specific to the movie. No is something specific to them.
We can't just say yes or no or I like it. So, yeah, I Ching. And then bullets. Because my. I love that quote where he's like, you killed him. Is like, I didn't kill him. I shot him.
The bullets in the fall killed him.
Seth
00:52:39.170 - 00:52:39.570
Yeah.
Kyle
00:52:40.530 - 00:52:50.930
All right, top bill cast, here we go for collateral. Here we go. And we're going to talk about how we feel about this.
Top bill cast, that would be Tom Cruise as Vincent, Jamie Foxx as Max, and Jada Pinkett Smith as Annie.
Seth
00:52:51.010 - 00:52:54.730
This was, this was pre slap. So we still have respect for Jada Pinkett at the time.
Kyle
00:52:54.730 - 00:52:55.490
Yeah, I guess so.
Will
00:52:56.390 - 00:52:56.590
Yeah.
Seth
00:52:56.590 - 00:53:12.630
I. I give it an I Ching. They all, as we've said with so many of these movies, they all brought 100 of themselves to these roles.
Like, none of them felt out of place. None of them felt off. Everyone felt like their character should have. So, yeah, it's definitely an iching for me.
Will
00:53:12.790 - 00:53:15.270
Yeah, yeah. I'll say. It's a niching for me as well.
Kyle
00:53:15.350 - 00:53:16.030
Yeah, yeah.
Will
00:53:16.030 - 00:53:22.120
Because Jade, that was a Jada heyday. Yeah, yeah, it was. It was before. What was it called? The Entanglement.
Seth
00:53:22.200 - 00:53:23.720
Yeah, yeah. The Entanglement.
Will
00:53:23.800 - 00:53:24.160
Yeah.
Seth
00:53:24.160 - 00:53:25.720
That was even pre Madagascar.
Will
00:53:25.800 - 00:53:26.840
Yeah, yeah.
Kyle
00:53:27.000 - 00:53:33.080
I'm the same. I loved it. I. I think I'm a big Tom Cruise fan. I mean, I. He's done a lot of weird.
Seth
00:53:33.240 - 00:53:37.000
He's hit or miss for me, but I like, I like a lot of his movies. I have oblivion up on the wall.
Kyle
00:53:37.000 - 00:53:44.040
Yeah. Extremely dedicated actor, still doing in his 60s, still doing all the stunts for Mission Impossible. Hanging off the side of plane, attempting.
Seth
00:53:44.040 - 00:53:46.200
To produce the first movie fully made in space.
Kyle
00:53:46.440 - 00:53:50.720
Yeah. I mean, he just doesn't give up. He. He's. He literally thinks it's his job to save Hollywood.
Seth
00:53:50.720 - 00:53:51.000
Yeah.
Kyle
00:53:51.000 - 00:54:07.850
And he's trying. I mean, he's talked about that, but. But I love it here. Jamie Foxx is just incredible here.
And I remember, I remember watching this when it came out thinking, God, like. Because I remember his stand up and then his music, you know, and like he's just so. Oh, fantastic musician, great rapper. Yeah. And he also has.
He plays keys.
Will
00:54:07.850 - 00:54:08.410
Yeah. Right.
Kyle
00:54:08.490 - 00:54:11.170
Really gifted guy. And yeah, I. It's funny.
Seth
00:54:11.170 - 00:54:12.250
One Kanye song.
Will
00:54:12.570 - 00:54:16.890
He knew how to play the piano before Ray, though, right? Wasn't he, like, already a master pianist?
Kyle
00:54:16.890 - 00:54:23.470
Yeah, he did it for, for his record. He played the keys on those records. Yeah, yeah. So really good. I remember buying that at Walmart.
Seth
00:54:23.550 - 00:54:23.950
Nice.
Kyle
00:54:23.950 - 00:54:24.830
Jamie Foxx record.
Will
00:54:25.230 - 00:54:25.830
Walmart.
Kyle
00:54:25.830 - 00:54:26.230
Yeah.
Will
00:54:26.230 - 00:54:44.870
You know that I. Not to bash on Walmart, but they don't take Apple Pay. Really learned that the hard way.
The other day, you hit a wall trying to buy some Topo Chico and cat food. And I walked up and I was tapping my phone against the thing and someone's like, we don't take Apple Pay. And I was like, you're Walmart.
Like, you're Walmart. You're like one of the biggest companies in the entire world.
Kyle
00:54:44.870 - 00:54:47.740
Maybe thought they were you making a bomb with that. Yeah, Toba Chico.
Will
00:54:47.740 - 00:54:48.580
Chico and cat food.
Kyle
00:54:48.580 - 00:54:49.260
Oh, my God.
Will
00:54:49.260 - 00:54:54.380
What's this guy doing now? It's just dinner. Coffee's going great.
Kyle
00:54:54.380 - 00:54:56.580
I can get 19 meals out of this bag of cat food.
Will
00:54:57.140 - 00:55:03.300
Why are you still spending 16 on Topo Chica? You can just get Seltzer water for $3. I'm like, no, no. Yeah, I'm poor.
Seth
00:55:04.900 - 00:55:06.660
I'm poor, but I have standards.
Will
00:55:06.900 - 00:55:08.500
Put the cat food in. Shake it up.
Kyle
00:55:08.900 - 00:55:10.340
Love it. Yeah, Absolutely.
Seth
00:55:10.340 - 00:55:13.380
One how old people did peanuts and Coca Cola?
Will
00:55:14.100 - 00:55:20.600
I just saw a musician I follow. She posted that today. And she was like, having a nice morning of Coke and peanuts. And I was like, this must be a thing. I don't know.
Seth
00:55:20.600 - 00:55:23.440
It was a Great Depression thing. My grandma did it all the time growing up.
Kyle
00:55:23.680 - 00:55:31.440
Yeah, my mom used to do it. I was like, that's why she's bipolar. Yeah, that salt, that fizz. Just like, woo. I'm going to have a weird day today.
Will
00:55:31.440 - 00:55:33.760
A week from now. Like, you're on RFK staff.
Kyle
00:55:36.240 - 00:55:36.720
Yeah.
Seth
00:55:36.720 - 00:55:38.880
We should bring back the peanuts and Coca Cola.
Kyle
00:55:38.880 - 00:55:50.000
You drink that, you're like, I'm either going to beat my children or we're going to Disney World today. I can't decide. All right, one to zero supporting cast. Here we go. That would be Mark Ruffalo.
Will
00:55:50.000 - 00:55:50.280
Who?
Seth
00:55:50.440 - 00:55:51.320
Michael Pena.
Kyle
00:55:53.240 - 00:56:12.450
A foot taller, but yes, looks like Michael Pena. And it took me a minute to realize it was him too. I was like, God, that's Mark Ruffalo. Peter Berg as Richard Widener or. Yeah, Widener.
And then Bruce McGill is petarosa. I'm looking down the list for more names. Yeah, the rest of the names are kind of whatever. Yeah, we'll stop there.
Seth
00:56:12.450 - 00:56:24.850
So for me, it's going to be actually a Bullets. Like, none of them were that memorable.
I was very confused by Mark Ruffalo being there, mostly because he's got a very New England kind of accent and he just is. Sticks out like a sore thumb.
Kyle
00:56:24.850 - 00:56:25.210
Yeah.
Seth
00:56:25.210 - 00:56:41.670
In la. But also somehow Looked Mexican. Like, it just. It was. Honestly, his scenes were the most distracting for me.
The rest of the supporting cast, like, yeah, they were there. None of them really, like, brought anything extra to the table. I think all of them could have been easily replaced. So it's a. Bullets for me.
Kyle
00:56:41.670 - 00:56:42.070
Yeah.
Will
00:56:42.230 - 00:56:45.750
This is like an era of movies where like, the supporting cast really just didn't matter.
Kyle
00:56:46.310 - 00:56:50.190
No, I don't think there's an era of that concept. I just think sometimes they were like.
Will
00:56:50.190 - 00:56:53.910
Very much just like, look, you're a face in the background and you're just propping up Tom Cruise kind of.
Seth
00:56:53.910 - 00:57:00.150
It depended because you definitely have like the Coen brothers who were very into making sure every single character they wrote, Right?
Will
00:57:00.150 - 00:57:01.310
Well, yeah, so it just.
Seth
00:57:01.310 - 00:57:10.030
It just really depends on, I think, who. Whether you were producing an artur movie or a movie that you were trying to make money on. Like, I think it just depended.
Will
00:57:10.110 - 00:57:10.750
Okay.
Kyle
00:57:10.750 - 00:57:16.830
Yeah. Michael Mann, too. He is a big cast guy. You know, he. I mean, he was Robert De Niro, Al Pacino, Val Kilmer.
Seth
00:57:16.830 - 00:57:17.230
Yeah.
Kyle
00:57:17.230 - 00:57:25.870
In the lead. And, you know, Brennaman was the supporting cast on that. I mean, he just had this gigantic cast, so. Yeah. Who else? Wynonna Judd. I mean.
Will
00:57:25.870 - 00:57:27.030
Yeah. It's like, that's an okay.
Kyle
00:57:27.030 - 00:57:30.430
Just insane cast. So that's kind of how Michael Mann goes.
Seth
00:57:30.430 - 00:57:33.140
But it was interesting to see her at the Kill Tony show.
Kyle
00:57:33.380 - 00:57:33.940
I bet.
Will
00:57:34.260 - 00:57:35.340
Went on a Judd.
Seth
00:57:35.340 - 00:57:38.660
She opened both nights and then was at the after party.
Will
00:57:38.740 - 00:57:44.980
Give me one big fire. Just one big, well timed fire. Reset the timeline.
Kyle
00:57:45.300 - 00:57:46.979
I. I want an asteroid.
Will
00:57:47.220 - 00:57:50.860
No, no, that's. That's gonna take out too much. I need it concentrated.
Kyle
00:57:50.860 - 00:57:54.900
Is that a real thing? Can you take out too much of what's going on right now? I think we need a haircut.
Will
00:57:54.900 - 00:57:55.300
That's fair.
Kyle
00:57:55.860 - 00:57:57.180
This world needs a haircut.
Will
00:57:57.180 - 00:57:58.780
Yeah, yeah. It needs a buzz cut.
Seth
00:57:58.780 - 00:57:59.860
Take the North Pole.
Will
00:58:00.260 - 00:58:00.500
Yeah.
Kyle
00:58:00.500 - 00:58:02.100
Just pop down all of.
Will
00:58:02.100 - 00:58:02.580
All the.
Kyle
00:58:02.580 - 00:58:13.620
All the melting will just drown us all. And I'll be like, yeah, somehow you. You're the only survivor I'll be mumbling to most like, what the. How did I still survive?
Will
00:58:14.740 - 00:58:15.860
It's you and frogs.
Seth
00:58:17.540 - 00:58:17.860
Yeah.
Kyle
00:58:17.860 - 00:58:18.980
I hate cockroaches.
Seth
00:58:18.980 - 00:58:19.620
Oh, man.
Will
00:58:20.740 - 00:58:24.020
What'd you think I'm gonna say bullets? Because Mark ruffalo needs more Ls.
Kyle
00:58:24.180 - 00:58:27.640
Yeah, yeah, yeah. He got on that Marvel train pretty hard.
Seth
00:58:27.640 - 00:58:30.120
Yeah. And honestly, he's the worst of all the Hulks.
Kyle
00:58:30.120 - 00:58:31.000
Norton was better.
Seth
00:58:31.000 - 00:58:32.760
Way better. Eric Bana was way better.
Will
00:58:32.760 - 00:58:43.600
Well, I also think Mark Ruffalo got absorbed into like, this is one thing I think has been a problem with. We.
I know this would probably be a long conversation, but I do think it got too silly where, like, when they found out, like, hey, Thor can be funny and.
Seth
00:58:43.600 - 00:58:43.840
Yeah.
Will
00:58:43.840 - 00:58:47.080
And Chris Hemsworth has some comedic chops. I think they, like, lost the plot.
Seth
00:58:47.080 - 00:58:47.600
Oh, 100.
Will
00:58:47.600 - 00:58:49.800
Where they were just like, well, no, every big guy has to be funny.
Seth
00:58:49.800 - 00:58:50.080
Yeah.
Will
00:58:50.080 - 00:59:01.760
Like, I just saw the most recent one. I was like, oh, the Russian guy's funny too now. Well, a big funny guy. Something we haven't done yet.
You know, I think Mark Ruffalo was, like, too good at being funny. And they were like, we're. We're. Let's make she Hulk, and. Really?
Seth
00:59:01.760 - 00:59:02.720
Yeah, yeah.
Kyle
00:59:02.720 - 00:59:04.200
Now Harrison Ford Hulk.
Seth
00:59:04.200 - 00:59:04.640
Yeah.
Will
00:59:05.360 - 00:59:09.560
I mean, I don't blame anyone on that one, because that was just like, he's too old to be doing this.
Seth
00:59:09.560 - 00:59:10.080
Yeah.
Will
00:59:10.160 - 00:59:14.720
And it was like, he's filling in for a guy that had already been playing their character. And, like, the whole movie was just rough.
Seth
00:59:14.720 - 00:59:25.990
My favorite thing is every time he gets interviewed, someone literally was like, did you feel weird doing the motion capture? Like, is there a part of your brain that's just like. Like, oh, this is so stupid. He's like, no, that's what the money's for.
Will
00:59:26.630 - 00:59:30.270
He is. He is like a. Just such a great celebrity. Oh, yeah.
Seth
00:59:30.270 - 00:59:33.430
He's unabashedly honest about. No, this is a job for me.
Kyle
00:59:33.430 - 00:59:33.710
Yeah.
Seth
00:59:33.710 - 00:59:36.390
It's the greatest job ever. But it's just a job.
Will
00:59:36.390 - 00:59:38.109
I don't have any problems. Yeah.
Kyle
00:59:38.109 - 00:59:40.310
I could be motion sick for $20 million.
Will
00:59:40.470 - 00:59:55.770
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's. I mean, based on, like, how his co stars act around him, I think people genuinely love him.
Like, he must be easy to work with and just fun to be around, because I don't know if, especially his era, I don't think I've ever heard anyone be like, oh, yeah, Harrison Ford.
Kyle
00:59:56.410 - 00:59:56.850
Yeah.
Will
00:59:56.850 - 00:59:57.370
You know?
Kyle
00:59:57.610 - 01:00:13.770
Yeah. All right. I actually go bullets in the fall. Kill them, too. I. I don't like Mark Ruffalo here. I'll be honest. I don't.
You know, I don't like to bash people, like, specifically, but I just can't think of a single damn thing. I like him, and I did.
Seth
01:00:13.770 - 01:00:15.130
He was really good in Zodiac.
Kyle
01:00:15.210 - 01:00:18.330
Oh, I did forget about Zodiac. I haven't watched that in a very long time.
Seth
01:00:18.330 - 01:00:22.460
Yeah. But I heard great things about his performance in Three Billboards too.
Kyle
01:00:22.620 - 01:00:24.700
Yeah, I did. Yeah, I heard that. I still haven't seen that either.
Seth
01:00:24.700 - 01:00:27.500
Yeah, I think I've seen, like, Dark Waters. He was fucking great.
Kyle
01:00:27.580 - 01:00:28.100
Okay.
Seth
01:00:28.100 - 01:00:39.500
He. Here's the thing. This was just not a good role for him. He doesn't need to be a cop. And, I mean, Zodiac kind of. Isn't he a journalist in Zodiac.
He wasn't even a cop.
Kyle
01:00:39.500 - 01:00:39.980
Yeah, right.
Will
01:00:39.980 - 01:00:40.860
Yeah. They're journalists.
Seth
01:00:41.020 - 01:00:52.070
It's just. Yeah. This was not a good role for him. I've seen good roles for him, but it's just, he's. I don't know. It's weird.
He needs to be the lead, but not, like, with anything super complex.
Kyle
01:00:52.390 - 01:01:04.870
Yeah. It felt here like this. It was. He was a very finessed. Maybe it's because my. I. My dad was a narcotics officer, and I just know how rough that is.
Like, how in real life, like, my dad was a ruffian.
Will
01:01:05.030 - 01:01:05.510
Yeah.
Kyle
01:01:05.990 - 01:01:17.300
And I watched Mark Ruffle. I'm like, you haven't been through, bro. Because my dad had half a finger.
You know, he had long hair to his ass, and he would drink and do drugs with the drug dealers. And I'm just. He would come home, get the. Out of my way.
Will
01:01:17.540 - 01:01:22.900
Your dad was Matthew McConaughey? Yeah. What's. What's the show? The HBO True Detective. True Detective Minus.
Kyle
01:01:22.900 - 01:01:23.940
Minus the intelligence.
Seth
01:01:23.940 - 01:01:24.220
Yeah.
Will
01:01:24.220 - 01:01:29.300
You're, like, watching. You're like, dad, dad, just love me so.
Kyle
01:01:29.300 - 01:01:30.020
A little bit too.
Seth
01:01:30.180 - 01:01:31.700
All right, all right, all right.
Kyle
01:01:32.260 - 01:01:37.820
This is where a Coen brother approach would have been like, I think some kind of, like, lesser known, kind of.
Seth
01:01:37.820 - 01:01:41.020
Hardened guy, Adam Sandler, could have killed that role.
Kyle
01:01:41.020 - 01:01:41.420
Yeah.
Seth
01:01:41.420 - 01:01:43.180
I think he would have been great in that role.
Kyle
01:01:43.420 - 01:01:46.460
I know. It's kind of weird how, like, I just want to see him do more.
Seth
01:01:46.460 - 01:01:46.860
Yeah.
Kyle
01:01:46.860 - 01:01:47.220
I've never.
Will
01:01:47.220 - 01:01:47.980
Adam Sandler.
Kyle
01:01:47.980 - 01:01:50.500
Yeah. Ever since Uncut Gems, I'm like, I want to see him do more.
Seth
01:01:50.500 - 01:02:09.590
Dark granted, somehow he convinces every gorgeous woman in the world to play his wife in whatever movie he wants to do. I'm like, okay, Aniston, we'll do our fourth movie together. It'll be great. You'll. You'll get in a bikini. I'll pretend to ogle you. It'll be great.
Will
01:02:09.750 - 01:02:11.750
Okay, Adam. I'll be there. I'll be there.
Seth
01:02:12.150 - 01:02:13.270
You're so adorable.
Kyle
01:02:14.470 - 01:02:35.500
It is. One to one. Let's talk about the writing and the writer. It's funny, I was looking at his credentials earlier.
Australia Bay Stuart Beetle, and he has, like a. He has the Pirates of the Caribbean logo video or the Pirates of the Caribbean Lego video game Tomorrow. The war Began. GI Joe, the Rise of Cobra.
Seth
01:02:35.500 - 01:02:36.100
Oh, okay.
Kyle
01:02:36.100 - 01:02:42.940
On his resume. So there we go. And he did write the Pirates of the Caribbean. The Curse of the Black Pearl. Yep, he wrote that as well.
Will
01:02:42.940 - 01:02:45.620
Oh, wait, the. That's the first one, right? Yeah, that's like the one.
Kyle
01:02:45.779 - 01:02:46.219
Yeah.
Seth
01:02:46.219 - 01:02:48.180
I don't like that series I enjoyed.
Will
01:02:48.500 - 01:02:50.100
I mean, that's the best one, though, out of all of them.
Seth
01:02:50.100 - 01:02:50.460
Yeah.
Kyle
01:02:50.460 - 01:02:53.620
So he has some things and, you know, this may be his best one.
Seth
01:02:54.100 - 01:03:13.330
Yeah, this. This might be his best one. I guess he got this after pirates came out, or at least he got pirates. So, I mean, he.
He clearly had worked his way up into something decent. But now this was. Like I said earlier, I think this script could have stood on its own with any, Any.
Any competent actors in any of the roles I think could have done as good, if not even a little better.
Kyle
01:03:13.410 - 01:03:13.890
Yeah.
Seth
01:03:13.970 - 01:03:15.970
So, yeah, I give it a I Ching.
Will
01:03:16.210 - 01:03:17.570
And it's an original, right?
Kyle
01:03:17.970 - 01:03:18.610
Yes, it is.
Seth
01:03:18.850 - 01:03:19.490
Adaptation.
Kyle
01:03:19.490 - 01:03:20.450
Nope, it's an original.
Will
01:03:20.450 - 01:03:24.290
It's like, it's impossible. Yeah, yeah, it's like, impossible to get an original script through.
Kyle
01:03:24.290 - 01:03:24.650
I know.
Will
01:03:24.650 - 01:03:25.610
The pipeline at all.
Kyle
01:03:25.610 - 01:03:33.010
Warner Brothers just issued an edict saying we. We want non original shit. Like, like, we want to bank on existing ip.
Seth
01:03:33.010 - 01:03:33.290
Yeah.
Will
01:03:33.290 - 01:03:44.010
Like, one of my buddies out now. Like, one of my college friends, he. I forget what his production company is called, but, like, yeah, they don't.
Like, he wrote an original script once that I read and I was like, this is great. And he's like, yeah, it's never gonna light a day.
Seth
01:03:44.010 - 01:03:44.370
Yeah.
Will
01:03:44.370 - 01:04:05.540
But like, his whole company, like, they go to, like, German. This is also, like, when Netflix was, like, just getting into streaming and being like, how much money can we make here?
And so, like, they would, like, go to Germany or, you know, Korea or whatever, and they would find a series and, like, bring it back here and we. True detective, you know, or whatever it is. But anyway, yeah, I'm. I'm gonna say I Ching then, because that's like, just. Yeah.
Kyle
01:04:05.700 - 01:04:06.180
Yeah.
Will
01:04:07.300 - 01:04:09.980
This just doesn't happen. And it does. It's definitely not gonna happen anytime.
Kyle
01:04:09.980 - 01:04:10.260
Yeah.
Seth
01:04:10.260 - 01:04:16.280
Yeah. None of the, like, catchphrase moments ever felt too cheesy or like Stallone, ish. So. Yeah, no, it was quite solid.
Will
01:04:16.590 - 01:04:16.830
Yeah.
Kyle
01:04:16.830 - 01:04:25.310
Yeah. And this is one of those situations where. Well, I always talk about how much I love commentaries.
I get really pissed of a movie because that's part of my research. And I just love hearing the directors talk.
Will
01:04:25.310 - 01:04:25.670
Yeah.
Kyle
01:04:25.670 - 01:04:33.430
And I just could listen to Michael Mann talk for hours. And like, he does this for every single movie he does. But every actor has to write their backstory.
Seth
01:04:33.430 - 01:04:36.270
Yeah. And Every actor should be writing a.
Kyle
01:04:36.270 - 01:04:44.120
Backstory and he does it with them. And Tom Cruise, like has this whole. Like this isn't writing in the sense of the script, but like, he did have to. Like he was an orphan.
Seth
01:04:44.350 - 01:04:44.550
Yeah.
Kyle
01:04:44.550 - 01:04:47.710
He was displaced when he was 11. He got, you know, arrested. Like there was this.
Will
01:04:47.710 - 01:04:51.910
Oh, he. He built the story up to the point that he's at. Yeah. See, that's awesome.
Kyle
01:04:51.910 - 01:05:00.390
And you can see it. You can kind of Jamie Foxx, like, I love this whole. Because there's even more like that you didn't see that he wrote about this, this business plan.
Seth
01:05:00.390 - 01:05:00.710
Yeah.
Kyle
01:05:00.710 - 01:05:21.410
And how he got into driving a cab and his mom and like, there's just so much there. I love how Michael Mann does that because, like, you can see it. And I really do think the way that Vincent was written transformed.
Tom Cruise is a guy that gets away most of the time with being Tom Cruise. I think the exception is Magnolia, which. Where he was exceptional in that. Oh, Paul Thomas Anderson.
Will
01:05:21.410 - 01:05:22.370
He's the long hair.
Kyle
01:05:22.370 - 01:05:22.650
Yep.
Will
01:05:22.650 - 01:05:25.170
He's the like cult. Not cult leader, but like, he's like.
Kyle
01:05:25.170 - 01:05:27.929
A self help macho. Like. Yeah, yeah.
Will
01:05:27.929 - 01:05:30.050
He's Andrew Tate years before Andrew.
Kyle
01:05:30.050 - 01:05:31.410
Yeah, yeah. With tears.
Will
01:05:31.490 - 01:05:32.370
Yeah, yeah.
Kyle
01:05:32.370 - 01:05:44.060
There's a scene in there that's like legendary where he cries and like, it's. It's so good. So. But I think this is second to that.
The writing of this character transformed Tom Cruise into a guy I was like, he has more range than I think I thought.
Seth
01:05:44.220 - 01:05:45.980
Granted, Eyes Wide Shut is still.
Kyle
01:05:46.220 - 01:05:47.540
Yeah, that is true.
Seth
01:05:47.540 - 01:05:48.020
So good.
Kyle
01:05:48.020 - 01:05:49.820
That's up there as well. That's a very.
Will
01:05:50.860 - 01:05:51.780
Yeah, I don't think I've seen it.
Kyle
01:05:51.780 - 01:05:52.140
It's.
Will
01:05:52.460 - 01:05:53.980
That's. That's Nicole Kidman, right?
Kyle
01:05:53.980 - 01:05:54.340
Yeah.
Seth
01:05:54.340 - 01:05:56.700
That was the movie that in theory, broke them up.
Will
01:05:56.940 - 01:05:58.140
Oh, interesting.
Seth
01:05:58.140 - 01:06:06.490
Stanley Kubrick, his last movie that. They had a edit of it and then he died four days after he showed it to. To the execs and then they finished his movie.
Kyle
01:06:06.490 - 01:06:06.930
Yeah.
Seth
01:06:07.330 - 01:06:10.090
Supposedly missing like 20 minutes of footage. Like. Yeah.
Kyle
01:06:10.090 - 01:06:16.970
And Roger Avery, Quentin Tarantino's sidekick, he's out there trying to. He's been trying to get the original cut.
Seth
01:06:16.970 - 01:06:17.370
Yeah.
Will
01:06:17.370 - 01:06:17.930
Oh, cool.
Seth
01:06:17.930 - 01:06:20.690
Cuz he's got a production script so he knows what's missing.
Kyle
01:06:20.690 - 01:06:21.130
Yeah.
Will
01:06:21.130 - 01:06:22.690
Interesting. Yeah, I didn't know any of that. That's all.
Kyle
01:06:22.690 - 01:06:38.980
Yeah, he was friends with Kubrick, but Yeah, I. I love it. I just love the detail and, and you know, people. I get bashed all the time for this.
I still think the best Hannibal Lecter movie is the very first one that was made, it was Michael mann's Man, Manhunter, 1986. Brian Cox played Hannibal from.
Will
01:06:38.980 - 01:06:40.060
I didn't even know this existed.
Kyle
01:06:40.060 - 01:06:46.700
Yeah, it's. Well, I'm a dot. My top five novel for me all time is Red Dragon, which is the. The very first Hannibal book.
Seth
01:06:46.700 - 01:06:48.020
And the adaptation was not bad.
Will
01:06:48.020 - 01:06:49.220
That's Ed Norton, too, right?
Kyle
01:06:49.220 - 01:06:52.060
Yep. And Ralph Fiennes, but it was.
Will
01:06:52.060 - 01:06:53.460
So That's a psycho.
Kyle
01:06:53.460 - 01:07:14.190
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I just. I just think Michael Mann has such a distinction, like, flavor when you watch him. And I.
I just think there's so much intentions in addition to a great script. The. The effort that was put into designing these characters pushes this way over. This is I Ching hard man. So I never thought I'd say that sentence.
I Ching hard man.
Will
01:07:15.149 - 01:07:16.750
He, like, just cut that out. They're like.
Kyle
01:07:18.110 - 01:07:27.860
And it's two to one. You know how I know that? Because I brought the spreadsheet back. He's writing it down halfway through the last 10 episodes. I've lost count.
I'm like, it's eight to four. Four. We don't even have eight categories.
Will
01:07:27.860 - 01:07:31.020
Like, okay. It's okay. Whose line is it anyway? The points don't matter.
Kyle
01:07:31.900 - 01:07:34.140
Yes. Directing Michael Mann.
Seth
01:07:35.020 - 01:07:49.180
Yeah, it's gonna be an iching for me. Again, I don't think this movie is necessarily anything exceptional, but he did a good job there. There was nothing.
Nothing that was, like, glaringly terrible about it. So, yeah, I'd say. I'd say it was decent. It was solid. So, yeah, iching for me.
Kyle
01:07:49.180 - 01:07:49.460
Yeah.
Will
01:07:49.460 - 01:07:56.650
See, sometimes with directors, I'm always like, because this was great. So I'm gonna give him an iching. But I am always like. Like, when it's bad.
Seth
01:07:56.890 - 01:07:57.330
Yeah.
Will
01:07:57.330 - 01:08:01.370
I. I do always have to go, how did you not see this as bad?
Seth
01:08:01.370 - 01:08:04.450
No, they do. You know, most of them do, and they still have to go.
Will
01:08:04.450 - 01:08:05.130
We just got to do it.
Seth
01:08:05.130 - 01:08:05.370
Yeah.
Will
01:08:05.370 - 01:08:07.290
God, that's. That's awful. But, yeah, no, this is great.
Kyle
01:08:07.450 - 01:08:11.210
Yeah, you see a lot of those. Because they had a better idea and they fucking killed it.
Seth
01:08:11.210 - 01:08:11.610
Yeah.
Will
01:08:12.730 - 01:08:15.330
Have you guys watched. What's that Seth Rogen show just come out.
Seth
01:08:15.330 - 01:08:16.170
The producers.
Will
01:08:16.170 - 01:08:16.930
Producers or.
Seth
01:08:16.930 - 01:08:17.570
Yeah, I think that.
Will
01:08:17.570 - 01:08:19.370
No, not the producer, the studio.
Kyle
01:08:19.370 - 01:08:20.170
It's on my list.
Seth
01:08:20.170 - 01:08:20.570
Yeah.
Will
01:08:20.570 - 01:08:25.650
I've watched the first couple episodes, and, like, the. It's. It's. I think you guys would really enjoy it.
Seth
01:08:25.650 - 01:08:26.730
Yeah, I've heard good things.
Kyle
01:08:26.730 - 01:08:28.130
That Zack Snyder's career.
Seth
01:08:28.130 - 01:08:28.610
Yeah.
Will
01:08:28.930 - 01:08:45.930
I mean, the second episode is like. I even, like. Even, like, with my TV experience, like, Know when like, oh, like so and so is on set and you just.
They are just dragging the day on because they have their creative input. You're like, oh, my gosh, sit down. It's the dreams over, man. You're already making millions. Like, just give it up.
Seth
01:08:45.930 - 01:08:57.940
This is why Christopher Nolan has it so good, is because literally he's at the point where he's just like, I'll do what I'm gonna do, but you don't have a choice. Yep, I will deliver you a film and you will distribute it. But you're not gonna tell me how to make this shit.
Kyle
01:08:57.940 - 01:08:58.980
Yeah, that's.
Seth
01:08:58.980 - 01:09:23.850
That's. That is the reason Sinners has done so well is because Ryan Coogler brought the script to the studio, sat down and said, here's the deal.
I'm gonna make this. You don't say shit. Yep, I will deliver you. Same as Nolan. He's like, I will deliver you this movie, but I guarantee you it's gonna do well.
And you're just not gonna say shit. You're gonna let me do this. And they did, and it's become the quickest highest grossing R rated movie since 2019.
Will
01:09:23.850 - 01:09:25.570
I just saw. I still need to see it.
Seth
01:09:25.570 - 01:09:27.450
Same. I'm mad I missed it in imax.
Will
01:09:27.530 - 01:09:28.010
Yeah.
Kyle
01:09:28.010 - 01:10:05.440
Lately, like, I just. If it's new, I wait to watch it till we cover it. It's like I want to have because it's fresh.
It's a luxury I don't get anymore because we covered so many movies I've seen. I'm like, if I get to watch it with fresh eyes. Yeah, I do. I go, I Ching. Because I think nobody does LA like Michael Mann.
I'm not saying other directors don't do it well. He just has such a specific flair for how he envisions the city and how he uses the city. I think the. I just think there's so many great choices here.
The few things I have problems with this, you know, Mark Ruffalo, the unbelievable relationship between the. Between Jada Pinkett Smith's character and Max. Like, I don't necessarily love that. I think it's a little.
Seth
01:10:05.840 - 01:10:08.720
Yeah. I don't know. The conversation at the beginning convinced me well enough.
Kyle
01:10:08.800 - 01:10:13.740
It's really good. It's just. It's like in a movie where it's kind of pretty real in a lot of ways.
Will
01:10:13.740 - 01:10:17.020
Like, they managed the one part that you're like, yeah, I don't think so.
Kyle
01:10:17.020 - 01:10:23.180
Oh, you know who forgot to say in supporting cast, Javier Bardem. A young Javier Bardem in here. Crushing it. I forgot to mention him.
Seth
01:10:23.180 - 01:10:23.740
Who did he play?
Kyle
01:10:23.740 - 01:10:36.100
He was the. At the table. He was the guy when Jamie Foxx was pretending. Yeah.
You may not have picked up on it because they talked about in special features they had to coach him to speak in a. In a Mexican Spanish accent versus because he's Spanish. Because he's. Yeah, because he has the Spanish flair.
Will
01:10:36.100 - 01:10:36.460
Yeah.
Kyle
01:10:36.460 - 01:10:42.650
And they had this like, you had. Need the Mexican version of this. So they had to coach him. Him. That makes sense because he also didn't speak great English at the time.
Seth
01:10:42.650 - 01:10:47.410
Yeah, I mean it's kind of like taking an upper class New Englander and trying to get him to speak with a southern accent.
Kyle
01:10:47.410 - 01:10:57.330
Yep. Three to one. Sorry I had to rush my answer in there. Michael Mann, I love you. What's in front of us?
Cinematography, production design, sound, costumes, editing, stunts.
Seth
01:10:57.650 - 01:11:04.930
This is gonna be a squeak over for me. Which in our vernacular is like a 5.1 out of 10.
Will
01:11:04.930 - 01:11:05.810
It's just good.
Kyle
01:11:06.050 - 01:11:06.970
He's a squeaker.
Seth
01:11:06.970 - 01:11:17.120
It's just good enough for me to say that. That it's an I Ching. But here's the thing. There were only moments where the cinematography I felt was purposeful.
Kyle
01:11:17.760 - 01:11:18.120
It.
Seth
01:11:18.120 - 01:11:32.520
Otherwise it was just kind of generic setups, generic ways of shooting. There were. There were a couple moments like after the car wreck where the camera got extra wavy, shaky, disorienting.
But only when it was on Jamie Foxx.
Kyle
01:11:32.520 - 01:11:32.880
Right.
Seth
01:11:32.880 - 01:12:06.220
Anytime it would cut to anyone else, it would still still be handheld, but it would actually kind of calm down a little bit. But it was only like a couple of moments like that where I was like, oh, that's a really cool, subtle way to do that.
Otherwise it was just kind of there. Again, nothing egregious, but nothing good.
The, the, the other than just the setting of la, like, yeah, that was cool, but all of the general sets themselves. Again, nothing. Nothing to write home about. Nothing that I was like, oh, wow, this feels so detailed. Detailed. So it was good. It was all right.
Will
01:12:06.220 - 01:12:12.100
I'll say truthfully, with cinematography, that's probably one of the one things I'm very bad about noticing. I notice when it's bad. Yeah.
Kyle
01:12:12.100 - 01:12:12.500
Yeah.
Will
01:12:12.500 - 01:12:26.700
Like, I can be like, this is really bad, but I like, I don't have an eye for it where I'm like, that shot was exceptional. Like, I, like, I know I've like, like I could sit there with you and you'd be like, look at that in the background right there.
And he's got this in the foreground. And I'd just be like, I don't know. They got pretty eyes.
Seth
01:12:26.700 - 01:12:27.100
Yeah.
Will
01:12:27.100 - 01:12:27.620
You know?
Kyle
01:12:27.620 - 01:12:27.980
Yeah.
Will
01:12:27.980 - 01:12:33.310
So this isn't the best category for me, but I'll say I Ching, because I didn't notice that I didn't like it.
Kyle
01:12:33.310 - 01:12:34.110
Yeah, there you go.
Seth
01:12:34.110 - 01:12:34.630
That's fair.
Kyle
01:12:34.630 - 01:12:38.630
Yeah. And sometimes that's. It's just like a. Like a cornerback or like, jarring.
Will
01:12:38.630 - 01:13:02.380
Like, there was nothing jarring that I was like, that was a terrible cut. Yeah, yeah, that's. That's always.
That's another thing I do notice that is, like, when there's just a cut that you're like, something was in between this and they really just didn't know how to work around. Yeah. I see with specials all the time too, like, where you could tell, like, even my own, there was one that we had to really cut.
And, like, I noticed because I've seen the thing 10,000 times with editing, but, like, it. Even recently I watched it, I was like, that cut is not as smooth as I thought it was.
Seth
01:13:02.380 - 01:13:03.740
Yeah, it happens.
Kyle
01:13:03.740 - 01:13:07.140
It's like a defensive back in NFL if they're saying your name is because you're not doing a good job.
Will
01:13:07.140 - 01:13:29.830
Yeah. Well, it's because someone's. Someone's. I mean, literally the thing started and Brandon Gerald's grandmother's phone went off. And then.
And then, like, later, like, someone, like, dropped a glass in the middle of, like, a very long joke I was doing. And, like. So I'm like, it goes for me, like, doing the joke to, like, a cut of me, like, laughing, trying to get back into the jokes.
I was like, I'm going to lose my mind. But, yeah, those hard cuts are damn grandmothers. Yeah.
Kyle
01:13:30.310 - 01:13:36.990
I do go I Ching as well. And it's like, against the wall, you're squeaking. I'm like, I. I want to get to 11 here.
Seth
01:13:36.990 - 01:13:38.030
It's like 10 out of 10.
Kyle
01:13:38.030 - 01:13:42.350
Yeah, I just. The aerial shots of LA, a city I don't even really like.
Seth
01:13:42.350 - 01:13:42.790
Yeah.
Kyle
01:13:43.110 - 01:13:44.910
But here I'm like, yeah, that is.
Will
01:13:44.910 - 01:13:50.310
The funny part about this is you're like. You're like, he shot la, so give me some more la. Yeah, but then you're like, but I actually don't.
Kyle
01:13:50.310 - 01:13:52.150
Like, I'll visit Michael Mann's la.
Will
01:13:52.150 - 01:13:54.430
You like pictures. You aesthetically love L. A.
Kyle
01:13:54.430 - 01:13:54.950
Exactly.
Will
01:13:54.950 - 01:14:03.600
But you are like, this is the worst. Yeah, this is a hell hole. And I. I feel dirty and I need to go shower and get on a plane and go back.
Kyle
01:14:03.920 - 01:14:32.420
That's exactly right. Yeah, no, it's exactly right. And I love it. And I Do think there's some, some creative framing here.
And I, I think I love the scene where he finally decides that he's going to like punch it and turn the car over and, and her. I, I think that was filmed really well. You're right, though. There are portions of it which are pretty straight on.
But there's, there's enough here where I really, I like. And I also love the, the attention to detail with Vincent suit and his hair. Even though I, I know, I know what you're saying because it's Tom Cruise.
Like, what's with the gray hair?
Seth
01:14:32.420 - 01:14:32.740
Yeah.
Kyle
01:14:32.740 - 01:14:37.820
But the tailoring of the suit, now obviously you have to listen to commentary to pick up on that. But now that I have, I'm like.
Will
01:14:37.820 - 01:14:41.100
Yeah, yeah, now that you said that to me, like the blending in, I'm like, oh, that's really smart.
Kyle
01:14:41.100 - 01:14:41.460
Yeah.
Will
01:14:41.460 - 01:14:42.940
You're in a gray suit and you're like, what?
Kyle
01:14:43.180 - 01:15:13.060
Yeah, it's cool.
And I love, and I related a lot to one thing I liked was the little totem of, of him pulling down his visor to look at the picture of the island to remind him of his business plan. Like, I work a full time job. Obviously we, all three of us have, we're trying to accomplish in our lives that have nothing to do with the day job.
But it's like there are moments where, like, I just need to look or touch something that reminds me that, like, my purpose is elsewhere. And so every time he would do that, I was like, that's cool. That was a neat little little thing. I love totem stuff.
Seth
01:15:13.060 - 01:15:15.540
And you have a life sized doll of Nicholas Refn, don't you?
Kyle
01:15:15.540 - 01:15:31.470
I do. Nicholas Winning Griffin. And my next pair of glasses is going to be like this. Love you. Nick, please, please reschedule your interview. For God's sake.
All right. That is 4 to 1 because of the Excel sheet. I know.
Seth
01:15:31.710 - 01:15:32.190
Hey.
Kyle
01:15:32.590 - 01:15:44.590
All right. This is where we get into our cult. We call these bro categories, which the first five are like non traditional or very traditional categories.
These two are more, you know, either comedic or related specifically to the movie. I called this one number one Hit Man.
Seth
01:15:45.880 - 01:15:46.240
Okay.
Kyle
01:15:46.240 - 01:15:50.440
Hitman. Especially lately. There's a bunch of new hitman movies, hitman movies coming out.
Will
01:15:50.440 - 01:15:53.400
It's, it's like a, it does, it has, it's like every seven years kind of thing.
Kyle
01:15:53.480 - 01:15:59.320
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I really enjoyed what's the new David Fincher with Fassbender.
Will
01:15:59.320 - 01:16:01.880
Killer Fastbenders in a hitman movie.
Kyle
01:16:01.880 - 01:16:02.760
Yeah. And.
Seth
01:16:02.760 - 01:16:04.080
Oh, it's a Netflix one.
Will
01:16:04.080 - 01:16:05.760
Yeah, it's actually, I don't have Netflix.
Kyle
01:16:05.760 - 01:16:06.320
It's really good.
Will
01:16:06.320 - 01:16:08.400
I have to wait until I'm dog sitting to watch, catch up on anything.
Kyle
01:16:08.400 - 01:16:11.200
That's right. Yeah. Walk a dog, Get a streaming service.
Will
01:16:11.200 - 01:16:12.200
Yeah, yeah.
Kyle
01:16:12.280 - 01:16:18.840
But, yeah, it's. You know, hitmen are a fixture in film, but how do we rate Vincent here as a. Is he a good hitman or give or take?
Seth
01:16:19.080 - 01:17:00.690
I mean, that's a. That's an interesting question because thinking about it at the time, I'm sure it was something unique compared to most of your other.
Just like kind of stereotypical. I mean, even Terminator, I feel like, could be considered a hitman movie in. In some sense.
Yeah, this was somewhat different, but I have seen so many hitman movies since this came out that it just. Nothing about it really stood out to me. So I'm gonna go bullets on this one. It just, it was fine.
Nothing like egregious again, but nothing that made it especially good. So. Yeah, in terms of what the category is, I don't think it was anything special.
Will
01:17:00.770 - 01:17:04.940
Well, it's been messy, isn't it? Yeah, it's a bit messy as a hitman.
Kyle
01:17:05.260 - 01:17:05.740
Yeah.
Will
01:17:05.820 - 01:17:07.820
Yeah. So I'll go bullets.
Kyle
01:17:09.260 - 01:17:10.380
Oh, it's tough.
Seth
01:17:11.500 - 01:17:16.300
I pulled up a category, by the way. Like, that's a solid, solid way to think on it.
Kyle
01:17:16.620 - 01:17:22.220
Well, and here I pulled up a list to give me because it was hard for me too, because you said that. And I was like, well, wait a second. Anton Chigurh.
Seth
01:17:22.220 - 01:17:22.700
Yeah.
Kyle
01:17:22.860 - 01:17:26.820
And I pulled up the highest rated list of hitman characters. That automatically blows the category.
Seth
01:17:26.820 - 01:17:28.660
I mean, John Wick, obviously.
Kyle
01:17:28.660 - 01:17:35.230
John Wick, Leon the Professional. Yeah, really good. Jules Winfield. Pulp Fiction.
Seth
01:17:35.230 - 01:17:35.590
Yeah.
Kyle
01:17:35.590 - 01:17:47.109
Is on there. John Wick is on the list. Vincent is on this list as well. Let's see, I'm looking for some ones that we would know. Yeah. And that's a lot of.
Oh, and in Bruges, Colin Farrell.
Seth
01:17:47.109 - 01:17:47.510
Yeah.
Will
01:17:47.590 - 01:17:56.970
Oh, wait, so do you mean, like, do I think, like, if I'm like, looking at resumes and I'm like, do I think you're a good hitman or do you mean like, as in, like, as far as, like, top 10 hitman go?
Kyle
01:17:56.970 - 01:18:00.530
Just as like. Yeah. Is this a hit? Do you, do you like this hitman?
Will
01:18:00.530 - 01:18:02.850
Oh, then yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I do. So, okay. Yeah.
Seth
01:18:02.850 - 01:18:03.770
So you're iching.
Will
01:18:03.770 - 01:18:08.650
Yeah, I'm iching. Sorry, sorry, I thought it was like, like, get in, get out, no mess.
Kyle
01:18:08.890 - 01:18:11.450
Oh, just as a character on screen.
Will
01:18:12.250 - 01:18:13.370
I went too specific.
Kyle
01:18:13.450 - 01:18:14.690
No, it's fine. No, it's Great.
Will
01:18:14.690 - 01:18:15.450
I was just like, I don't know.
Kyle
01:18:15.450 - 01:18:16.250
There's a lot of freedom here.
Will
01:18:16.250 - 01:18:23.050
I was like, I wouldn't hire him. But then you said, john Wick. I was like, well, I'm definitely not hiring John Wick. He blew up, like, five cities, you know?
Kyle
01:18:23.050 - 01:18:23.510
Yeah.
Will
01:18:24.140 - 01:18:24.540
Okay.
Kyle
01:18:24.780 - 01:18:25.220
Yeah.
Seth
01:18:25.220 - 01:18:27.780
No, in terms of it being a hitman movie, it's okay.
Kyle
01:18:27.780 - 01:18:28.220
Yeah.
Seth
01:18:28.220 - 01:18:29.700
Nothing. Nothing crazy.
Will
01:18:29.700 - 01:18:30.100
Okay.
Kyle
01:18:30.100 - 01:18:35.540
Yeah. I. I look at. So you're going I Ching now. Yeah, yeah, I get it. No, it's. It's however you want to take it, man.
Will
01:18:35.540 - 01:18:40.820
Yeah. I just like it because as we all know, I moonlight as a employer of hitman.
Kyle
01:18:40.820 - 01:18:41.140
Yeah.
Will
01:18:41.140 - 01:18:42.580
And I was like, well, I wouldn't hire him.
Kyle
01:18:42.580 - 01:18:44.780
Yeah. I mean, this is an investment.
Will
01:18:44.940 - 01:18:45.340
Yeah.
Seth
01:18:45.340 - 01:18:49.260
You know, Beware comedy clubs. Don't cross Will Ables.
Kyle
01:18:49.740 - 01:18:50.340
What do you mean?
Seth
01:18:50.340 - 01:18:52.860
The pride of Hagerstown will take you out one way or another.
Kyle
01:18:52.940 - 01:18:58.630
What do you mean you'll venmo me me? I said, what do you mean you'll venmo me? Yeah, that's the death nail.
Will
01:18:58.630 - 01:18:59.070
Yeah.
Kyle
01:18:59.310 - 01:19:02.110
Oh, you Venmo me half of what you. Okay.
Will
01:19:02.190 - 01:19:05.790
Oh, interesting. This. This Venmo is a little short.
Kyle
01:19:05.870 - 01:19:07.070
Yeah, it's weird.
Will
01:19:07.390 - 01:19:09.150
Well, that's what you get happened to.
Kyle
01:19:09.150 - 01:19:09.870
Me a few times.
Will
01:19:09.870 - 01:19:10.510
Yeah.
Kyle
01:19:10.830 - 01:19:35.250
I actually, I read that list, and there's. There's some I do like better. Like Anton Shigera, obviously legendary. But I still think he has his place on the list. I think he's unique enough.
Tom Cruise gives it a flair that I love. I love the. The aesthetic. I do like the gray hair. I know it's weird, but I like how he looks.
I don't know if you noticed, but, Ian, they put scars on his hands. That's one thing Michael Mann talks about. We put scarring on his hands, and there's, like, little micro scars on his face. You have to really zoom in.
Seth
01:19:35.250 - 01:19:39.610
But see, I noticed that at the beginning, but they. It. It disappeared as the movie.
Kyle
01:19:39.610 - 01:19:40.050
You're right.
Seth
01:19:40.050 - 01:19:41.170
I really forgot about that.
Kyle
01:19:41.250 - 01:19:41.810
You're right.
Seth
01:19:42.050 - 01:19:42.530
Yeah.
Will
01:19:42.930 - 01:19:44.690
They were like, how do we save some money?
Kyle
01:19:44.690 - 01:19:45.490
Yeah. No more.
Seth
01:19:45.570 - 01:19:49.950
Another reason why, like, that. That other. The. The visual category. He's just a squeak over.
Kyle
01:19:49.950 - 01:19:50.310
Yeah.
Seth
01:19:50.310 - 01:19:54.950
Because there's a lot. There was details thought about, but then they just let him go.
Kyle
01:19:54.950 - 01:19:56.830
Maybe they wish they didn't use that digital camera.
Seth
01:19:56.830 - 01:19:57.310
Maybe.
Will
01:19:57.390 - 01:20:03.510
I think it was, like, shot out of, out of order. And so maybe, like, it was an afterthought. They're like, he should definitely have scars in his hands. And everyone was like, oh.
Seth
01:20:03.510 - 01:20:04.230
The whole time.
Will
01:20:04.230 - 01:20:05.790
The Whole time. Because we're almost done.
Seth
01:20:05.870 - 01:20:07.190
Yeah, almost definitely.
Will
01:20:07.190 - 01:20:07.590
Yeah.
Kyle
01:20:07.590 - 01:20:12.430
I also love the triple tap signature gun shooting where it's like the head, the two in the chest, one of the head.
Seth
01:20:12.430 - 01:20:17.300
Such a waste of bullets though. Like, John Wick is so clean with it. One to the knee, one to the head.
Kyle
01:20:17.850 - 01:20:26.890
Although that's. That. That's a little more of a Fantasiacal film than this is. I think this is. They're trying to be more grounded here. John.
John Wick is a much my favorite franchise.
Seth
01:20:26.890 - 01:20:36.570
I'm just saying in terms of Hitman, he's as you pointed out, even though it was not the correct reason. But he's a very. I don't know, he's very messy, very sloppy. Like it's just. It was. Okay.
Kyle
01:20:36.570 - 01:20:39.730
And he did let Max run away with his. With his files.
Seth
01:20:39.730 - 01:20:40.170
Yeah.
Kyle
01:20:40.410 - 01:20:43.850
You know, and while they were visiting, he got a little cute with the mom.
Seth
01:20:43.850 - 01:20:44.250
Yeah.
Kyle
01:20:44.250 - 01:20:48.950
Max did a little out of care or Sorry, Vincent. And then Max ran away with his briefcase.
Seth
01:20:48.950 - 01:20:49.190
Yeah.
Kyle
01:20:49.190 - 01:20:49.870
And threw it over.
Seth
01:20:49.870 - 01:20:53.630
So it's just. Yeah, he's okay. Not. I don't think he's anything special.
Kyle
01:20:53.870 - 01:20:59.190
By the way side rando. That bridge that they were running down when Tom Cruise was doing. Of course he had to get his run in.
Will
01:20:59.190 - 01:20:59.630
Yeah.
Kyle
01:20:59.630 - 01:21:09.230
They had to use security guards like. Well, down the. That highway because that's right in the middle of Crip blood territory.
And so to keep the gangs away, they had security guards lining that bridge.
Will
01:21:09.230 - 01:21:11.520
Imagine that security guard. You're just like, this is just.
Seth
01:21:11.520 - 01:21:11.920
Yeah.
Will
01:21:11.920 - 01:21:12.640
Insane.
Seth
01:21:12.720 - 01:21:14.400
Wait, I'm supposed to stop them?
Will
01:21:14.640 - 01:21:15.040
Yeah.
Kyle
01:21:15.040 - 01:21:16.840
Are there no bridges in Santa Barbara?
Will
01:21:16.840 - 01:21:21.240
Come on. He's like, we couldn't have done this anywhere else. And I was like, no, it has to be here.
Seth
01:21:21.240 - 01:21:22.480
You could have made a miniature.
Kyle
01:21:22.640 - 01:21:30.720
Yeah. It's five to one and I'm going to finish with it. We did this for drive grading it as an LA film. La La Land is this last category.
Seth
01:21:30.880 - 01:21:44.040
Yeah. I mean, again, like it. It. It's a very romanticized version of la. It would make me want to go to the city.
Even if I didn't know anything about the city currently. I'd be like, yeah, that's a cool looking city. So. Yeah, it's. It's fine.
Kyle
01:21:44.040 - 01:21:44.520
Okay.
Seth
01:21:44.520 - 01:21:46.800
Yeah. It's a iching. I Ching.
Kyle
01:21:46.800 - 01:21:48.200
I Ching, whatever, man.
Will
01:21:48.360 - 01:21:55.120
Yeah, I mean you got it like with. With an LA film to kind of. We were saying it's like you got to nail it.
Seth
01:21:55.120 - 01:21:55.560
Yeah.
Will
01:21:55.560 - 01:22:02.920
You know, because it is, it's. It's the. It's like, you know, it's the start of it all. Yeah, Right. So I think they did a good job.
Kyle
01:22:02.920 - 01:22:03.320
Cool.
Will
01:22:03.320 - 01:22:04.120
Yeah, I Ching.
Kyle
01:22:04.280 - 01:22:36.230
I mean, you know how I feel about it. I think Michael Mann does LA unlike anyone else. I think Refn does a great job. But Michael Mann has his own flair.
You know, if you can get me to admire la. Yeah, yeah, I like it. So the aerial shots are cool. They really use the lighting of the city. I dig it a lot. And I do like that they.
They went to some real places in la. The. The gang territory. Bridge. They shot in people's apartments. Like the apartment when you first meet Mark Ruffalo. That was a real apartment.
That wasn't a set. It belonged to two people. They let them use the hotel, like. Or let them use their apartment. But. Yeah, no. So six to one.
Seth
01:22:36.230 - 01:22:36.590
Yeah.
Kyle
01:22:36.590 - 01:22:37.470
Yeah. Pretty good.
Will
01:22:37.800 - 01:22:43.120
How do you think, like, how do you think LA people feel when they're here? Like, here like a Michael Mann films about.
Seth
01:22:43.120 - 01:22:49.520
They're like, oh, they're probably so used to it at this point. I feel like Chicagoans would get pissed. But LA people just don't care.
Will
01:22:49.520 - 01:22:53.880
I wonder if that is a thing with LA where they're like certain directors, they do, like, still. Even though it's like the whole culture.
Seth
01:22:53.880 - 01:22:54.360
Yeah.
Kyle
01:22:55.400 - 01:23:02.520
Well, the people I know, and I know you both know these people too, in la, they probably would tell people that they were in the movie or were somehow involved.
Seth
01:23:02.840 - 01:23:06.110
That's me back there. See, like 18. 18 people deep. That's me.
Kyle
01:23:06.110 - 01:23:10.350
Yeah, see, see, I was driving to work three hours south that day.
Will
01:23:10.350 - 01:23:14.190
Yeah. It's just them and like, accidentally in a building jerking off. Yeah. Like, they got caught and you just.
Seth
01:23:14.190 - 01:23:17.790
Go through and they're like, just someone in the corner. Just.
Will
01:23:18.270 - 01:23:18.910
That's me.
Seth
01:23:19.150 - 01:23:20.270
Slowly walk off.
Kyle
01:23:20.350 - 01:23:21.630
Will you read my treatment?
Seth
01:23:21.630 - 01:23:22.110
Yeah.
Kyle
01:23:23.230 - 01:23:28.670
Dude. Thank you so much for joining us today. Of course you're going to be on the road. Tell them when and where. We have listeners all over.
Will
01:23:28.830 - 01:24:38.900
All over. I am gonna be all over. So I am going. So on May 28, I head to Omaha and I'm doing the beach house. And then I go up to Bose. Yeah, I know, I know.
Then I go to Bozeman. I'm doing last Best comedy. I'm opening for Adam mamawalla. That is the 30th of May. And then we run around Montana and we're doing Helena and Townsend.
And then I go to. Well, I'm kind of just like camping for four days. And then I go to Seattle.
I'm like, different parts of Seattle, but I'M doing the Carco Theater with Billy Wayne Davis. And then I go to. If you happen to be.
Oh, I don't even remember what the town's name is, but if you go to Loge Campsite in Washington, I'll be there on June 8, I think it is. And I'll be doing, like, a show at the campsite. And then I go to Portland for a few days, doing shows all over there. Then I go to Bend, Oregon.
I'll be headlining at Craft Kitchen and brewery on the 13th. And then I go to Boise, and I'll be doing Don't Tell and the Cowboy Room. And then I go to Denver.
Just doing a bunch of shows around Denver for the week. And then I do Kansas City, and then I'm back here.
Kyle
01:24:38.900 - 01:24:41.180
Boom. We have a ton of listeners in Seattle, by the way.
Will
01:24:41.180 - 01:24:41.580
Do you?
Kyle
01:24:41.580 - 01:24:42.740
So, yeah, go check them out.
Will
01:24:42.740 - 01:24:43.060
Yeah.
Kyle
01:24:43.060 - 01:24:43.700
He's incredible.
Will
01:24:43.700 - 01:24:53.470
Come. I'll also be doing remedy speakeasy on June 5th. That'll be in. Not Renton. It's in. It's close to Kipsit. I just don't remember the name of the town.
Kyle
01:24:53.470 - 01:24:53.910
Cool.
Will
01:24:53.910 - 01:24:59.590
Yeah. Seattle's been interesting to book because they have, like, scenes within the scene because Just the way the city shaped.
Kyle
01:24:59.590 - 01:24:59.950
Yeah.
Will
01:25:00.030 - 01:25:06.830
So, yeah, that'll be fun. I'm looking forward to it. I've never performed in Seattle. Never performed anywhere in the Pacific Northwest or Montana.
So this is gonna be a cool one.
Kyle
01:25:06.830 - 01:25:07.870
Helena. Yeah.
Seth
01:25:08.190 - 01:25:15.790
And then y' all get ready for next week because we're gonna be doing the Wachowski Speed Racer, also featuring Will Abels here. So. Yeah, come back next week.
Kyle
01:25:15.790 - 01:25:19.110
Love y' all. We just did Collateral six to one. Great job here. I'm Kyle.
Seth
01:25:19.110 - 01:25:19.610
I'm Seth.
Will
01:25:20.080 - 01:25:20.800
And I'm Will.
Kyle
01:25:21.120 - 01:25:21.760
Love y' all.
Seth
01:25:24.400 - 01:25:25.520
Movie Wars.