Bill and Ted’s Bogus Journey w/ Evan Berke
Speaker A
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Foreign. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the Movie wars podcast. I'm Kyle.
Speaker B
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I'm Seth.
Speaker C
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I'm Evan Burke.
Speaker A
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He's back, baby. And I told you last episode to watch his special. If you didn't stop what you're doing. Go listen to the special. Go watch the special on YouTube, then.
Speaker B
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Come back if there's not at least a dozen more views on it, you guys.
Speaker C
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And by that, we mean a baker's dozen. So, bakers, I need 13 views on that.
Speaker A
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You're on the show, and you vastly underestimate our listenership. I love it. No. So, yeah, we are. And we're doing three. If you don't know this, we do record all these in one day. We're doing three today. Yeah.
So we need the brain power. We need it all. So today we're doing the second entry in our Bill and Ted series. We're doing Bogus Journey.
Speaker B
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Love it. Such a good movie.
Speaker C
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Great movie.
Speaker A
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And it was Evan's idea. He. Seth, had invited him to the show. We were stoked to have him. He said Bill and Ted, and I was like, holy.
Speaker B
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Yeah.
Speaker A
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And I dove in, and the nostalgia was strong, and it was good. And this one's interesting because, you know, I think as a kid and I. They talk about this a lot on the special features that they were. They deviated.
There was a lot more darkness. There's a lot of stuff left on the cutting room floor.
Speaker B
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Oh, interesting.
Speaker A
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Yeah. Because originally this was called Bill and Ted. Go to Hell was the original name. And I just think that they looked at the.
There was such a young audience that loved it. And not. Not just teenagers, but, like, sub teenagers.
Speaker B
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Yeah.
Speaker A
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That were fans of this. So, you know, and they were looking at, like, we gotta, like, somehow keep that audience.
But they really wanted to do a lot of new things they didn't feel like. And you kind of mentioned this on the last episode when you were asking about Keanu. His star had increased.
Speaker B
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Yeah.
Speaker A
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Alex hadn't so much. In fact, Alex has mostly found his footing as a director and a producer these days. He does a lot of documentaries. He's really great, by the way.
He has a few on Netflix, actually, that are his. His directed.
Speaker B
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Very nice.
Speaker A
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Yeah, he's very good. But Keanu had done Point Break in My Private Idaho with River Phoenix.
And before River Phoenix passed away, he was like, yeah, he was going to be a lot of people. Yeah, he was on the path to be what we consider Joaquin today. Yeah, that was River's path. And unfortunately, he passed away. But Keanu had Done.
Done that with him. And so all of a sudden, Keanu, between the first one and Bogus Journey, had these movies. He's starting to collect his star and.
Yeah, so they wanted to do something a lot different here, and I would say they accomplished that absolutely.
Speaker B
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The. The tone of this one and the story structure is completely different. They're.
Like I said at the beginning of the last episode, it's so easy for a sequel to just. And 2022 Jump street makes fun of this entire concept of where the sequel is exactly the same as the first one.
Just like, minor story tweaks and that's it. This took on a whole new format. Instead of doing anything with time travel, it was all strictly spiritual. Like, it was.
It was a journey into the depths of hell to the. To the highest moments of heaven. Like, it's. It took on a very spiritual theme instead of sticking with the sci fi nature that they had last time.
Speaker A
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Yeah.
Speaker B
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So I loved it. I had never seen it before this, so this was a great time.
Speaker C
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I mean, totally dark. Feels like a totally different. I mean. Yeah, I mean, they're like, you. You have like, the evil Bill and Ted being the evil version.
I mean, dude, they're about to, like, sexually assault the princesses in that scene, and you're like, seriously? And then I forget what Bill says. Something super, just, like, horrible. Right. You know, so it's nice that they have the evil characters. Right.
It's almost like in comedy when you say something that you might not normally say, but. Oh, a guy I talked to said it.
Speaker B
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Yeah.
Speaker C
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So, you know, I didn't say it.
Speaker B
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But I'm saying now.
Speaker C
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But I'm just telling you the story. But no, I mean, it's.
And I do feel like when I was discovering these movies, there was something about the second one that, you know, that they just felt both equally very good for. For very different reasons.
Speaker B
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So many different reasons.
Speaker C
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Most sequels fall into a trap. Think about Rush Hour. Think about Bad Boys. Think about Jay and Silent Bob. Right?
It's like at some point in the movie, you're gonna get Martin Lawrence going into the gas station to get some Skittles.
Speaker A
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Right?
Speaker B
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Every movie.
Speaker A
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Every movie.
Speaker C
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You know, this didn't have that. And you know what? Kudos. We'll talk about the third when we do that one. But ne really did the third.
Speaker B
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A
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And the visuals, too. I. I feel like you could tell that they had a bigger budget, more money, more time to film, and then.
Speaker B
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How much was the budget on this one?
Speaker A
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I actually need to. I had the last one memorized. I don't know why I don't have this one memorized.
I felt so awesome when I memorized it last time and now I'm like, you idiot. Do you know numbers? Looking it up. But I'll have to edit this part.
Speaker B
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Cuz yeah, it feels like probably closer.
Speaker A
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To 10 to 20, 20 million dollar budget this time and it grossed it gross million. So it actually grossed less.
Speaker B
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Wow.
Speaker A
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Than the first but had a bigger budget so they made less.
Speaker C
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And that doesn't surprise me for some reason because I do think when it first came out there was probably this sentiment around it that's like, it's not as good as the first one. Yeah, it's nothing so different. And it's nothing like it. It's dark, it's a little.
And I think at the time people might have just been like, okay, well we're looking for what we got the first time. So maybe the audiences were craving.
Speaker A
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Yeah.
Speaker C
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That traditional sequel, but this is really not that traditional sequel.
Speaker B
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Yeah.
Speaker A
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And I don't know why, but like, yes, it was only. It was only three years after the release of the first one. But doesn't 1989 and 1992 feel like different? Like literally different, like decades? Like.
Yes, it's technically, but it's only three years apart. But that feels like a huge leap in time to me. It's culturally speaking.
Speaker B
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Well, even.
Even filmmaking wise, there, there is a stark difference between films made in 1989 and films made in 1990 versus the Matrix was made in 1999 and you still saw that in X Men and in Underworld and in all these other movies. You saw the vibe of the Matrix kind of flow into the rest of the early 2000s and it kind of blended together.
But prior to that every decade really stood on its own.
Speaker A
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Yeah.
Speaker B
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First year. So. Yeah, it is. It is fascinating to me though how well they kept the look the same between these two movies.
Speaker A
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Yeah.
Speaker B
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Like, even though they had a bigger budget and you could tell that they were doing bigger concepts, it still felt like the same movie. Like it felt like an immediate continuation instead of just suddenly looking way newer.
Speaker A
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And they don the same uniform. I love how they have uniforms in each one. Like, and I love like the vest. Like did you guys want to get a vest?
Speaker B
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Like Ted Smiley vest?
Speaker C
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I still, I just tying a, a sweatshirt around my waist. Yeah, dude.
Speaker A
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Yes. And I just love. I just. It's just. It was. Yeah, you're right. They were consistent where they needed to be consistent. Like, and then.
But they took big Risk and like, adding the character of Death to it.
Speaker B
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Oh, my God, he's so good.
Speaker A
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William Sadler, they call him Billy Sadler, but William Sadler, who was, you know, beloved from Shaw Shank Redemption. Just great death.
Speaker B
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Him in the. In the dress and the hat in heaven is just a. Just the whole time trying to sneak in.
Speaker C
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Do I recognize you? No. I mean, just perfect. Com. Perfect situational comedy. Very simple.
Speaker B
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He ended up being the Napoleon of this movie. Like, stole the show every time he was on camera.
Speaker C
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Absolutely.
Speaker A
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Best scene in the movie is them playing board games.
Speaker B
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Yeah.
Speaker C
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Yes.
Speaker A
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That is Battleship Crush. You thunk my Battleship.
Speaker C
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I mean, there's nothing better than Bill and Dead playing Battleship with Death. I mean, what an iconic scene.
Speaker A
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Yeah.
Speaker C
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In Hell. Like, it's so good.
Speaker B
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And. And I think it really keeps the.
The intent of, like, a good stoner comedy as it continues, because in my opinion, the best stoner comedies always need to have some sort of element of philosophical thinking, contemplation. Exactly. Even. Even if it's. It's. It's something as. As simple.
Like in Pineapple Express, the real philosophical stuff they talk about is really just like, friendship of two guys who had a professional relationship and now are developing, like, an actual friendship. Like, there's still a little bit, one little layer of that. This takes it further than I think most other stoner comedies do.
But I think that's why it works so well, is because the humor is in the philosophical nature of the film.
Speaker A
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Yeah. And there's a lot of creativity here, too. Whereas the first one was kind of a pretty straightforward.
Like, we kind of knew what the premise was and it went forward.
Speaker B
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Yeah.
Speaker A
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They chose to kind of take some side stops here, like, in Hell. Like, by the way, a really in. Actually, even though this is a Bill and Ted film, a very interesting depiction of Hell. Like, actually very creative.
Speaker C
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Very creative. The way, I mean, really ex. Like. Yeah. I mean, that's what really stuck with me, was how they were like. And it was unique to each of them.
Their own personal Hells.
Speaker A
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Yeah. Which actually kind of feels like what Hell would be.
Speaker B
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Yeah.
Speaker A
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It's like, what is the. Who did you hate the most? That's your roommate.
Speaker B
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Yeah.
Speaker A
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Yeah.
Speaker B
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What.
Speaker A
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What did you hate? What record did you hate the most? That's going to be playing 27.
Speaker B
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That's all you're gonna hear.
Speaker A
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All the. You hated 24. Seven. Here we go.
Speaker C
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Just that I think they do show Satan, right? Really big.
Speaker B
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Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C
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And that's wild.
Speaker B
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Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker C
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When they show Satan, you're like, I love it. Okay.
Speaker B
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Wow. It's just, it's all. Yeah. You've never seen a depiction of hell like that since. Or, or like before. Like, it just, it.
It's so unique and stands on its own so well.
Speaker A
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But some very real art direction too. Like Owens, the captain or the sergeant guy, the drill. What is he a drill sergeant? I can't.
Speaker C
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Oh, yeah, the guy from the military school.
Speaker A
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Yeah, yeah. His hell scene, the way that room is designed with the slanted beds, that was a very artistic, like, interesting creative direction.
The color is like an avocado green.
Speaker B
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So that's where I can start seeing bits of the 90s, like jump in. Because the 90s is really. Were like Tim Burton style kind of really started taking off and. And he kind of.
Without Tim Burton, you wouldn't have Harry Potter. I'll put it this way, because Harry Potter. The architecture in that is very off kilter, off center. Everything's kind of just thrown together.
It's supposed to look that way. This. Using those types of angles. You didn't really see them outside of like the weird, like artisty, you know, like indie films of the time.
So to bring this into a more mainstream look.
Speaker A
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Yeah.
Speaker B
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And. And use it in this trippy ass hell sequence, I think was really cool.
Speaker A
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Yeah. This film definitely asked more of us though. Like, I think once we get to the stations. And I like it. But I remember thinking, okay, this is a shift.
Speaker B
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Yeah.
Speaker A
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Like, like this, we're. We're in hell. Then death is in hell. And then like we find these amazing scientists that are furry.
Speaker B
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Yeah.
Speaker A
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Like, they're so good. Yeah.
Speaker C
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I love how they're like. You think the most advanced scientists in the universe are human?
Speaker B
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It's so good, so perfect. Yeah.
Speaker A
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And their butt, like, is. Their ass is just hanging out, like so good.
Speaker B
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And then the. Their version of the robots at the end, like, it just. It's so many weird but so many good choices.
Speaker C
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It's one of those things that really, you're looking at it and you're like, green light this.
Speaker B
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Yeah.
Speaker C
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None of it makes sense. You've got death, you've got little furries. You've turned. They turn into a big monster to defeat this other monster. You've got evil Robo.
It's just one of those things that you're like, all right, did a six year old.
Speaker B
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Yeah.
Speaker C
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Give us this plot? And then you're like, oh, no. This is well thought out, actually.
Speaker A
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Yeah.
Speaker B
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Yeah. Let's be real. It definitely does feel like an improv class concept, but they pulled it off.
Speaker C
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Well, well, Again, in hindsight, we're watching it. I'm sure when it first came out, people were kind of like, yeah, what the is this?
But now in full context of the whole universe, you're kind of like, what a very fun movie.
Speaker B
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Yeah.
Speaker A
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I remember liking it more now than I did because I do think when I was a kid, I did feel that departure. I didn't dislike it, but I would re watch the first one all the time.
Speaker B
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Yeah.
Speaker A
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I really didn't rewatch this one too much. I would put it in and then I'd be like, I don't really get it as a young one, but when I watched it this time, like, this rules.
Speaker B
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Yeah.
Speaker A
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Yeah.
Speaker B
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I had. I had been told the second one wasn't as good as the first.
Speaker C
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Me too.
Speaker B
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That's why I never watched it.
Speaker C
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Me too.
Speaker B
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And so to. But. But then when I told my roommate that we were going to be watching it, she literally was like, oh, I love them both.
Speaker A
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Yeah.
Speaker B
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Like they're both incredible. So to actually get to feel that from this was. Was very satisfying.
Speaker C
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I don't want to simplify. I don't want to dumb down or whatever, like how I feel about them. But the first one just felt like a great mainstream.
You know, if we're talking about a hamburger.
Speaker A
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Right.
Speaker C
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It's like Shake Shack, you know, solid, real good. You know what I mean? And then the second one just felt like a. Almost like a hamburger with peanut butter on it.
Speaker B
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Yeah. Like, which a lot of people are kind of incredible.
Speaker C
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Like a lot of people are into it.
Speaker A
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Yeah.
Speaker C
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But a lot of people just hearing that are going to disengage Y. And there's something about the second one that was so unique, so out of the box. So not really trying to hit. Hit a mainstream market.
It felt like the second one was really just trying to like ride the wave. And let's. Let's get the same people that saw the first one to see the second one. We'll call it a win.
The second one just felt like they were like, we don't have to appeal to anyone.
Speaker A
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Yeah.
Speaker C
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Other than people that already liked Bill and Ted. The first one.
Speaker B
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Exactly.
Speaker C
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And then over time, it just ends up growing on.
Speaker A
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Yeah.
Speaker C
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You know, growing in. Just its impact.
Speaker B
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Also, in my opinion, what a crazy decision to do a sequel that did not bring back any other than obviously, like Missy and the dad. It didn't bring back any of the supporting cast from the first one.
Speaker A
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Yeah.
Speaker B
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It was a whole blank slate. Bill and Ted adventure. Like, it wasn't in any way trying to rehash, I mean, what the old one was.
Speaker C
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I mean, speaking to the darkness, the Missy of it all in the second one.
Speaker A
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Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C
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Shocking, like, really shocking where you're like, oh, yeah. I mean, whoa.
Speaker B
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Oh, my God.
Speaker C
00:14:25.422 - 00:14:28.654
You're like. They're really. They got a game going here with Missy.
Speaker B
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Yeah.
Speaker C
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I like how they did in the third one too. But I mean, just like, that's when you realize you're like, this is taking a turn. They're not.
Speaker A
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Yeah.
Speaker C
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What was the. Was the Second one rated PG 13?
Speaker A
00:14:37.718 - 00:14:38.142
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:14:38.206 - 00:14:38.494
Yeah.
Speaker B
00:14:38.542 - 00:14:38.894
Okay.
Speaker C
00:14:38.942 - 00:14:39.870
Yeah. I mean, they definitely.
Speaker A
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They. I think they had to. I think there's a rule around if a movie has depictions of hell. That's something that the MPAA has made considerations for.
Isn't that weird?
Speaker B
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Interesting.
Speaker A
00:14:49.430 - 00:14:50.358
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C
00:14:50.374 - 00:14:53.478
But meanwhile, the Grammys is like, yeah.
Speaker B
00:14:53.574 - 00:14:55.462
Yeah, right, right, let's go twerk on.
Speaker C
00:14:55.486 - 00:14:58.054
Save your kid to watch it, everybody. Yeah.
Speaker A
00:14:58.102 - 00:15:21.704
It's like, unless your depiction of hell looks like a smoothie shop or. You know. But no, absolutely. Yeah. You.
You may have some evil versions of yourself running around out there in the ether, and they're evil because you didn't share Movie wars with them or you didn't share Evan special with them. You bastard. The only way to make it right, you akin a time travel. You can descend to the. The depths of hell or you can share Movie wars.
Speaker B
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Yeah, right. That's the easiest one.
Speaker A
00:15:23.440 - 00:15:32.392
It's never too late. What's the name of that song at the end? The Kiss song? God made. God made Rock and roll for you. I love that song.
Did anybody else, like, make a playlist?
Speaker C
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I love that song.
Speaker A
00:15:33.576 - 00:15:38.872
I like, made three playlists after I watched each movie and I've been listening to him. NASA, my wife is like, why are you doing this?
Speaker C
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I'm like, listen, it really blows my mind that that wasn't the song that united. I know, cuz that song is so good.
Speaker A
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That chorus, it's so good.
Speaker B
00:15:50.870 - 00:15:51.198
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:15:51.214 - 00:15:53.086
I mean, it. How is that not the song?
Speaker A
00:15:53.118 - 00:16:00.910
But I. I agree. That's what was my big. One of my biggest qualms with the third one was like, they. The song was. It was in. The last song was great.
Speaker C
00:16:01.030 - 00:16:07.466
It was. Might have been better. But, you know, it's kind of like, you know, Covid. We thought it was going to unite all of us, and now we're.
Speaker B
00:16:07.518 - 00:16:07.746
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:16:07.778 - 00:16:10.834
On the brink of World War Three. So listen, we forget real quick.
Speaker A
00:16:11.002 - 00:16:12.786
We get brought together and then we're.
Speaker C
00:16:12.818 - 00:16:15.910
Like, yo, I'm done with that song. I need a new song.
Speaker A
00:16:16.330 - 00:16:16.706
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:16:16.738 - 00:16:18.110
And Until I get it.
Speaker B
00:16:18.570 - 00:16:18.946
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:16:18.978 - 00:16:20.242
We are no longer united.
Speaker B
00:16:20.346 - 00:16:20.674
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:16:20.722 - 00:16:27.522
Yeah. Instead, Covid just surfaced. Any. Any impending mental illness that we had under the surface. It just brought it up immediately.
Speaker B
00:16:27.586 - 00:16:28.018
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:16:28.114 - 00:16:29.106
So thank you, Covid.
Speaker C
00:16:29.178 - 00:16:32.018
We hugged for a while, and then we're like, I. You're too close.
Speaker A
00:16:32.074 - 00:16:34.178
Yeah, Yeah. I don't. Yeah.
Speaker B
00:16:34.274 - 00:16:36.098
We all became autistic and said, don't.
Speaker A
00:16:36.114 - 00:16:39.254
Touch me, and stop posting shit on Facebook. We get it. You read the.
Speaker B
00:16:39.402 - 00:16:40.158
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:16:40.334 - 00:16:43.598
All right. Very good. The questions.
Speaker B
00:16:43.694 - 00:16:44.622
Questions.
Speaker A
00:16:44.766 - 00:16:52.958
Imagine jumping into your dad's body. I don't know about you guys, but for me, that would mean crabs and liver cirhosis.
Speaker B
00:16:53.054 - 00:16:53.518
Oh.
Speaker A
00:16:53.614 - 00:16:54.766
So, yeah. What about you guys?
Speaker B
00:16:54.798 - 00:16:58.446
Okay. I would be a bodybuilding preacher.
Speaker A
00:16:58.478 - 00:17:00.350
Oh, yeah. Your dad's a bodybuilder.
Speaker B
00:17:00.510 - 00:17:04.910
Yeah. Well, pre. Pre tear. Pre aortic tear. Now he can't work out anymore.
Speaker A
00:17:04.990 - 00:17:05.534
Oh, God.
Speaker B
00:17:05.582 - 00:17:12.870
Yeah. He'll be able to work out lightly soon, but yeah. No more. No more Bodybuilding. At 65, he's finally retired from that.
Speaker A
00:17:12.910 - 00:17:14.758
So you guys should see a picture of him. Holy.
Speaker B
00:17:14.854 - 00:17:23.878
It's kind of nuts, but yeah, that's what that would be. I'd be an amateur ventriloquist, but I would also be really good at roasting coffee.
Speaker A
00:17:23.974 - 00:17:25.894
Oh, okay. Wow.
Speaker B
00:17:25.942 - 00:17:27.014
And investing money.
Speaker A
00:17:27.102 - 00:17:30.918
So are you dunking on my dad on his liver hosis? You want to fight?
Speaker B
00:17:30.974 - 00:17:31.844
You're the one who asks.
Speaker A
00:17:31.902 - 00:17:32.660
I'm just.
Speaker B
00:17:33.120 - 00:17:35.048
My liver would be clean as bro.
Speaker A
00:17:35.104 - 00:17:40.180
Like, damn, that sounds good. I'll jump into your dad's body, too.
Speaker B
00:17:40.480 - 00:17:43.000
I'd have a sauna and a pool in my backyard.
Speaker A
00:17:43.080 - 00:17:43.820
Damn.
Speaker C
00:17:44.800 - 00:17:45.224
Wow.
Speaker A
00:17:45.272 - 00:17:47.352
I got. With the whole dad thing, huh?
Speaker C
00:17:47.416 - 00:17:48.616
You got room for a couple more?
Speaker A
00:17:48.688 - 00:17:50.920
Yeah, we're all jumping in sets down.
Speaker C
00:17:50.960 - 00:18:11.186
How big's your dad? Oh, I'd be a. You know, my dad's about to retire this month. I love shout out to my dad. Andy Burke, you're a legend. Put food on the table.
40 plus years as a. As a outside salesman selling wholesale packaging supplies.
Speaker B
00:18:11.298 - 00:18:11.922
Wow.
Speaker C
00:18:12.066 - 00:18:47.792
In metro Atlanta, that's what I'd be doing out here, just in warehouses taking inventory, being like, what do you need? I got you. And then serving it up the warehouse fixer. My dad was also. For a long time, he was a basketball referee.
Varsity high school and women's college basketball. I did that for 35 years. I believe so. And so that was his. That was his comedy, so to speak. That was his hobby when I was.
That's where he took the power back.
Speaker A
00:18:47.896 - 00:18:48.320
Yeah.
Speaker B
00:18:48.400 - 00:18:49.472
When I was like.
Speaker A
00:18:49.656 - 00:18:50.208
Yes.
Speaker B
00:18:50.304 - 00:18:58.438
When I was at Belmont, our dorms were assigned the women's basketball team as the team that we supported. So we went to all their games and stuff, so that's great.
Speaker A
00:18:58.574 - 00:18:59.750
I would have loved that dorm.
Speaker B
00:18:59.830 - 00:19:00.118
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:19:00.134 - 00:19:02.982
So I'd be out here running around. That's what I'd be up to.
Speaker A
00:19:03.086 - 00:19:07.766
Yeah, I love that. And your dad should collaborate and talk to my dad.
Speaker C
00:19:07.878 - 00:19:09.062
They're both in Atlanta.
Speaker B
00:19:09.126 - 00:19:09.606
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:19:09.718 - 00:19:10.086
Really?
Speaker B
00:19:10.158 - 00:19:11.046
They are, actually. Yeah.
Speaker A
00:19:11.078 - 00:19:13.046
Yeah. Did you guys run into each other in Atlanta?
Speaker C
00:19:13.078 - 00:19:13.638
Nope, Never.
Speaker A
00:19:13.694 - 00:19:14.102
Really.
Speaker C
00:19:14.206 - 00:19:14.918
We just met here.
Speaker B
00:19:14.974 - 00:19:15.302
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:19:15.366 - 00:19:16.054
Interesting.
Speaker B
00:19:16.182 - 00:19:16.630
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:19:16.710 - 00:19:18.678
I think we're on different. Different sides of town.
Speaker A
00:19:18.814 - 00:19:19.270
Pretty big.
Speaker C
00:19:19.310 - 00:19:19.526
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:19:19.558 - 00:19:20.118
Yeah. Big town.
Speaker B
00:19:20.174 - 00:19:22.040
I'm up. My parents are up. Up in Canton.
Speaker C
00:19:22.120 - 00:19:24.568
Yeah. We're not in Marietta. We're kind of close.
Speaker B
00:19:24.624 - 00:19:26.216
Yeah. My dad grew up in Marietta.
Speaker C
00:19:26.248 - 00:19:27.432
A lot of people in Atlanta.
Speaker A
00:19:27.496 - 00:19:28.712
Yeah, there is big. A lot of.
Speaker C
00:19:28.736 - 00:19:30.472
A lot of human. A lot of people between us.
Speaker B
00:19:30.576 - 00:19:35.272
Like, as close as Canton is to Marietta, it still takes, like, 35 minutes to get.
Speaker A
00:19:35.296 - 00:19:35.768
Oh, I know.
Speaker B
00:19:35.824 - 00:19:36.104
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:19:36.152 - 00:19:42.568
I get honked at because I can't drive for. And every time I, like, ever had to do a gig or anything in Atlanta, like, I just decided I'm just gonna go home.
Speaker B
00:19:42.624 - 00:19:42.856
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:19:42.888 - 00:19:52.792
I can't handle this traffic. Like. Like skyscrapers, downtown Atlanta, people going 60 miles an hour between the sky.
Like, I'm like, wait, I thought we went slower between the building and people, like, get off the road.
Speaker B
00:19:52.816 - 00:19:54.404
I'm like, God, I don't want to.
Speaker A
00:19:54.492 - 00:19:56.148
I'm done. I'm never doing comedy again.
Speaker B
00:19:56.204 - 00:20:02.564
You hit 75, 85, where they merge, and it's like, 12 lanes of traffic. 16 lanes of traffic. It's nuts.
Speaker A
00:20:02.612 - 00:20:16.900
Small town, Arkansas boy here. Man, that was petrifying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't want to jump in my dad. I mean, especially now that he's dead. Oh, you know.
You know, you know, it's just nasty. I don't. I don't know how gonorrhea does in the grave.
Speaker B
00:20:16.980 - 00:20:17.332
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:20:17.396 - 00:20:20.760
But, yeah, I'm sure it's not great. It's probably, like a Jason Voorhees look.
Speaker B
00:20:20.880 - 00:20:23.864
You might just be dust in the wind.
Speaker A
00:20:24.032 - 00:20:56.206
Yes. Nice callback. But I also. The reason I asked this question, honestly was because that was one of my favorite scenes as well. Was. And how.
What was his name, the actor who plays Ted's dad. How. Something Junior. I don't. How is it? How. Landon, maybe. How could I forget? I'm sorry. This is amateur hour hell. Landon Jr. He. They. Actually.
The way he prepared. I'll go ahead and just do a random now. The way he prepared for this role to do that scene was.
He watched excellent adventure over and over again and just kept studying Keanu's mannerisms.
Speaker B
00:20:56.238 - 00:20:57.070
Oh, that's fantastic.
Speaker A
00:20:57.150 - 00:20:59.758
Because he really wanted it and, like, so good.
Speaker B
00:20:59.814 - 00:21:00.078
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:21:00.094 - 00:21:12.030
And because they kind of started off filming, like, they was like, he's like, how much like, Ted, do you want me to act? It's like, oh, just a little bit. Not too much. And then each time they kept asking him to ratchet up, he's like, you want me to go full Ted? Right.
And so he. That was him, like, trying to go full Ted, and I love it.
Speaker B
00:21:12.070 - 00:21:15.358
It's so funny. It's such a wonderful scene.
Speaker A
00:21:15.454 - 00:21:20.002
It's so good. That Easter Bunny was creepy as fuck, wasn't it?
Speaker C
00:21:20.186 - 00:21:20.914
Oh, my God.
Speaker A
00:21:20.962 - 00:21:23.922
Oh, my God. That's the scariest part of the movie is that Easter Bunny.
Speaker C
00:21:23.986 - 00:21:31.890
That whole again. That whole hell scene, I think, is the reason why you just never went back. It's so disturbing and uncomfortable.
Speaker B
00:21:31.970 - 00:21:32.626
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:21:32.738 - 00:21:52.220
And you're kind of like, I don't. You know, I think we all got it, but it just doesn't. When you're. When we were younger, it just didn't feel good. Oh, definitely felt unique.
And I love to tap back in every now and then, but it just didn't feel as, like, as smooth going down like the first one.
Speaker B
00:21:52.260 - 00:21:57.292
Oh, I'm sure. But at this point, for me, I think this is actually probably going to be the one I revisit more often for a while.
Speaker A
00:21:57.396 - 00:21:58.444
Yeah, agreed.
Speaker B
00:21:58.492 - 00:22:01.628
It's. It's. It's so different. It's so unique.
Speaker A
00:22:01.724 - 00:22:05.404
In those corridors, they felt like alien level movie corridors.
Speaker B
00:22:05.452 - 00:22:05.724
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:22:05.772 - 00:22:11.474
Like, I was like, this is, like, taken from Alien. It was very uncomfortable. The. The hazy orange color. It felt like Alien 3.
Speaker B
00:22:11.562 - 00:22:19.042
No, you.
You could definitely tell that a good chunk of the budget went to the actual set building because there's a lot of attention to detail that they made.
Speaker A
00:22:19.146 - 00:22:26.546
Like that iron jaw thing they climb. They're trying to climb that. That was built for set. Yeah, they built that. So it was actually to size and everything. Yeah. So.
Speaker B
00:22:26.618 - 00:22:27.794
Oh, that's so good.
Speaker A
00:22:27.882 - 00:22:34.050
It is. All the. All the hell sets are. I love too, how each version of their own hell had a different color.
Speaker B
00:22:34.130 - 00:22:34.434
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:22:34.482 - 00:22:41.864
Like, the. The drill sergeant was green and then it was pink. With the Easter Bunny and the grandma, like, everything was so distinctive.
Speaker C
00:22:41.912 - 00:22:42.540
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:22:42.880 - 00:23:00.008
I love that rando. I love this one. As a guitar player, Steve Vai did all the guitar so good. The air guitar licks are him so good. The ones at the end, I.
I think he's not my favorite guitar player, but I do think he probably is the best guitar player of all time. Possibly. I mean, it's. I mean.
Speaker B
00:23:00.064 - 00:23:03.226
I mean, literally, it's. Him and Jimi Hendrix are like the big contenders.
Speaker A
00:23:03.328 - 00:23:24.918
I mean, he trained Kirk Hammond and Joe Satriani, who are two of the greatest living guitar. But when you're the guitar player training the greatest guitar players ever. But there's a.
If you do get the trilogy, the 4K, there's an interview with Steve Vai about doing this. It's really good. I recommend it. He's. He's a badass. So denomalos, the. The villain, the guy. The Darth Vader looking guy.
That is Ed Solomon's name backwards.
Speaker B
00:23:25.014 - 00:23:25.574
Oh, nice.
Speaker A
00:23:25.622 - 00:23:27.750
That's the. The writer. That's how they actually got the name.
Speaker B
00:23:27.790 - 00:23:28.502
So that's funny.
Speaker A
00:23:28.566 - 00:23:30.618
They just insert themselves wherever they can.
Speaker B
00:23:30.734 - 00:23:31.634
I mean, why not?
Speaker A
00:23:31.722 - 00:23:42.674
Yeah. Joss Ackland, that actor. So he was a classically trained actor.
So last time we talked about how cool Carlin was to everybody, and that was not the case here. Joss Ackland hated Alex Winter and Keanu Reeves.
Speaker B
00:23:42.802 - 00:23:43.266
Oh, wow.
Speaker A
00:23:43.298 - 00:23:49.714
And apparently there he play. He played Denomalos, the bad. The black leather bad guy. The bald. Okay. The villain.
Speaker B
00:23:49.762 - 00:23:50.802
Yeah, yeah. Okay, okay.
Speaker A
00:23:50.866 - 00:24:11.278
And he hated them. He thought they were. He. I guess he called them a waste of talent. And. And so.
So they just started with him, and they apparently started playing pranks on him and just messing with him. Because they did say, though, by the end, though, he did warm up.
He finally was around enough and he went up and he loved that gun scene with the flag. And they actually kind of like, got him to warm up with that.
Speaker B
00:24:11.334 - 00:24:29.362
Hell, yeah. So, y'all, it's acting. You're getting paid to play pretend.
Okay, Stop starting these fucking rivalries where you're just like, oh, you're a waste of talent. You're getting played. You're paid to play, like, to have fun. Just. Just have fun. Don't be an.
Speaker A
00:24:29.546 - 00:24:38.994
And this was right in Joss. Joss's wheelhouse. I mean, this is the type of character he's always played. And this was not difficult for him to do. I mean, he was playing the guy.
He's played in dozens of others.
Speaker B
00:24:39.082 - 00:24:39.586
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:24:39.698 - 00:24:52.146
This reminds me of my. One of my favorite stories from Caddyshack, Ted Knight with Bill Murray, Chevy Chase, and all the.
How all the guys are, like, coked out of the mine in the 80s and changing the script every five minutes. And Ted Knight hated everybody.
Speaker B
00:24:52.258 - 00:24:52.530
He.
Speaker A
00:24:52.570 - 00:25:00.724
He just. He. And he was supposed to be a stick in the mud anyway.
And he truly was a stick in the mic because everyone else was just coked out of their mind, and he was just like, I hate these guys.
Speaker B
00:25:00.772 - 00:25:06.420
So I've been. Especially when you're on weed energy. I've been around coke energy, and it gets hard to keep up.
Speaker A
00:25:06.460 - 00:25:19.636
Yeah, yeah. There was like a. There was like a. It was like Wall street, man. Like, Coke in the 80s. Like, at first, it was like, I think we can get a lot done now.
But by the 80, 85, everyone's just like, yeah, I got the coke farts. I can't do this. My nose won't stop bleeding.
Speaker B
00:25:19.748 - 00:25:21.560
All my joints are stuck.
Speaker A
00:25:22.380 - 00:25:24.440
My insides are deteriorating.
Speaker C
00:25:25.690 - 00:25:31.794
I love how those scenes with the. With the villain. It's like the way that the future is depicted with, like, big shoes.
Speaker B
00:25:31.922 - 00:25:33.250
Yeah. Like.
Speaker C
00:25:33.370 - 00:25:39.602
Like, like, just, like, all of these weird, like, planet rings around.
Speaker B
00:25:39.706 - 00:25:40.194
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:25:40.242 - 00:25:45.362
It's like. But then you look at, like, the type of shoes that, like, Justin Bieber wears.
Speaker A
00:25:45.426 - 00:25:45.954
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C
00:25:46.002 - 00:25:48.754
And these people wear, and I'm like, they're wearing big shoes.
Speaker B
00:25:48.882 - 00:25:49.890
It's kind of happening.
Speaker C
00:25:49.970 - 00:25:50.274
Yeah.
Speaker B
00:25:50.322 - 00:25:50.578
What.
Speaker C
00:25:50.634 - 00:25:52.162
What's the big shoe crate?
Speaker B
00:25:52.226 - 00:25:52.514
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:25:52.562 - 00:25:52.962
Yeah.
Speaker B
00:25:53.026 - 00:25:57.790
Or if you're Kanye, you're wearing a sock with a sole on the bottom boot, man.
Speaker A
00:25:57.830 - 00:25:58.206
Like, you're.
Speaker C
00:25:58.238 - 00:25:58.574
Exactly.
Speaker A
00:25:58.622 - 00:26:00.126
He's also got a great wrestling podcast.
Speaker C
00:26:00.158 - 00:26:03.342
It's the Spandex Standups. Drew Harrison.
Speaker A
00:26:03.406 - 00:26:07.950
Marianne's been hitting. Hitting me up about a joint podcast between the two of us.
Speaker C
00:26:07.990 - 00:26:08.750
Oh, well, we got to.
Speaker B
00:26:08.790 - 00:26:08.942
We.
Speaker C
00:26:08.966 - 00:26:11.214
Maybe we got to talk about wrestling movies.
Speaker A
00:26:11.262 - 00:26:14.478
The Iron Claw. I Will cry Iron.
Speaker C
00:26:14.574 - 00:26:16.238
I mean, have you seen the wrestler? Wrestlers are great.
Speaker A
00:26:16.294 - 00:26:20.238
I'm gonna cry at that, too. Both fantastic. Why are wrestling movies so damn good?
Speaker C
00:26:20.374 - 00:26:21.054
Ready to Rumble.
Speaker B
00:26:21.102 - 00:26:22.718
Depressing as there's a lot of going.
Speaker C
00:26:22.774 - 00:26:30.434
They just put out another great one. Queen of the Ring apparently is also being talked about as one of the greatest wrestling movies ever made.
Speaker A
00:26:30.522 - 00:26:30.834
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:26:30.882 - 00:26:31.410
So we've got some.
Speaker A
00:26:31.450 - 00:26:32.578
That's the one she wants to do.
Speaker C
00:26:32.634 - 00:26:33.682
Fighting with my family.
Speaker A
00:26:33.786 - 00:26:34.162
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:26:34.226 - 00:26:36.226
About Paige. Made by the Rock.
Speaker B
00:26:36.338 - 00:26:36.706
Okay.
Speaker C
00:26:36.738 - 00:26:38.162
And of course, Ready to rumble.
Speaker A
00:26:38.226 - 00:26:58.284
I want to make it happen. Let's do it. This is a hilarious kind of side story. So Alex Winter talks about in the commentary that he.
His son, had never seen a movie that he had made before. And his wife, I guess he was making another movie, and his wife said that his son missed him.
And to remind him, you know, that he's around and everything, she showed him Bogus Journey.
Speaker C
00:26:58.412 - 00:26:59.004
Oh, my God.
Speaker A
00:26:59.052 - 00:27:16.348
Huge mistake. Because. Because he was a young kid, he thought his dad was actually an evil robot for a long time.
And he came home and he, like, ran away from his dad, frightened to hell. So huge mistake. Alex Winter's wife showing their kids bogus journey. Wrong movie because. Yeah, that's a hilarious story.
Speaker C
00:27:16.404 - 00:27:17.820
That is. That's a great story.
Speaker A
00:27:17.940 - 00:27:23.194
I know. That's why I love commentaries. Like, that's just shit you don't pick up. Like, you can't find that fact online.
Speaker B
00:27:23.372 - 00:27:25.290
Oh, my God, that's so good.
Speaker A
00:27:25.830 - 00:27:33.870
Again, writers. Ed Solomon, obviously. They were the ugly and stupid waiter in the last one and this one. They're in the seance film or the scene.
So they're the stupid and ugly.
Speaker C
00:27:33.950 - 00:27:34.734
That's a fun scene.
Speaker B
00:27:34.782 - 00:27:35.486
That's so fun.
Speaker A
00:27:35.558 - 00:27:36.542
It's really good.
Speaker C
00:27:36.646 - 00:27:37.070
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:27:37.150 - 00:27:37.406
Yeah.
Speaker B
00:27:37.438 - 00:27:39.086
There's Harrison Ford has joined the room.
Speaker A
00:27:39.158 - 00:27:41.678
Harrison. I actually was wondering where Harrison was.
Speaker B
00:27:41.734 - 00:27:44.158
Yeah, he's around. He goes wherever he pleases.
Speaker A
00:27:44.254 - 00:27:44.942
Love that cat.
Speaker B
00:27:45.006 - 00:27:49.198
And I don't even like his 350 automatic scooping litter box.
Speaker A
00:27:49.294 - 00:27:50.846
I would love to be your cat.
Speaker B
00:27:51.038 - 00:27:51.662
Spoil him.
Speaker A
00:27:51.686 - 00:27:52.766
I would be living so well.
Speaker B
00:27:52.838 - 00:27:55.168
No wet food, though, because I'm not going that far.
Speaker A
00:27:55.304 - 00:28:12.352
That's right. The liver last Rando. So there was an original ending, and they filmed this ending and it did make it.
It may have been the most expensive scene to make, too. Originally, the ending was going to be the way that they beat Denomalos was all of the nightmare folks. The Easter Bunny.
Speaker B
00:28:12.416 - 00:28:12.752
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:28:12.816 - 00:28:23.340
Grandma and Owens were gonna have a car chase and they were gonna, like. There was this big action sequence where the Easter Bunny was apparently driving a car. And they filmed this thing.
Speaker C
00:28:23.380 - 00:28:24.940
And they were like, we would love to see that.
Speaker B
00:28:24.980 - 00:28:27.164
I know. Was there footage in the behind?
Speaker A
00:28:27.252 - 00:28:28.508
They said, you will never see it.
Speaker C
00:28:28.564 - 00:28:29.836
They're like, it is so bad.
Speaker A
00:28:29.908 - 00:28:34.348
Yeah. It's one of those things where, like, I would like to see it, but I know it's not good.
Speaker B
00:28:34.404 - 00:28:34.684
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:28:34.732 - 00:28:48.432
Yeah. Well, no, because, like, it's perfect if, like, those characters are in, you know, another world.
But if they tried to bring them into that final scene or whatever and, like, make them a part of the real world, I just don't.
Speaker B
00:28:48.556 - 00:28:49.848
Yeah. It just gets too cool.
Speaker C
00:28:49.944 - 00:28:53.720
It gets too complicated. Yeah. You got to keep them as part of, like. No, they're in hell. They stay in hell.
Speaker B
00:28:53.800 - 00:29:27.102
Because sometimes, I mean, very often that happens. Like, he.
When Lord of the Rings was being shot, instead of fighting a gigantic troll at the end, Aragorn was supposed to have an actual duel with Sauron. And when they finished the filming of it, they looked at it. They were Just like, this just isn't gonna work. Well, I mean, Deadpool, even.
They didn't have the money for the gigantic fight scene they wanted to have at the end of the first Deadpool, so it forced them to go, okay, well, we can't do that. So. Okay, I have eight bullets. We'll see what we can do with eight bullets. Or like, even Monty Python on the Holy Grail.
Speaker A
00:29:27.166 - 00:29:27.454
Yeah.
Speaker B
00:29:27.502 - 00:29:38.622
Where they just end with the police showing up because they ran out of money. Like, sometimes you have something big and extravagant planned, and almost every single time, it's just not going to happen.
Speaker A
00:29:38.726 - 00:29:46.570
Yeah. I love it. Yeah. The scarcity of filmmaking is often what makes it great. Shall we sink your battleship?
Speaker B
00:29:46.650 - 00:29:47.002
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:29:47.066 - 00:29:50.710
Yeah. So shall we? What does he say? Best three out of seven?
Speaker B
00:29:51.890 - 00:29:55.498
Shall we put on a dress and a hat and go through heaven?
Speaker A
00:29:55.674 - 00:29:57.194
Let's defeat the evil losses.
Speaker B
00:29:57.242 - 00:29:57.562
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:29:57.626 - 00:30:21.494
Let's war. As a reminder. Positive. Affirmative. Yes. I loved it. Be excellent to each other. And if we didn't dig it, no negative flunking.
Most heinously top bill cast. And this is Keanu Reeves, Alex Winter, and also William Sadler. Who. William Sadler has a hell of a career.
Shawshank Redemption is where a lot of people love him, but Die Hard to the mist, he's just done. He was. I think he was in the Green Mile. I mean, this dude has done.
Speaker B
00:30:21.582 - 00:30:22.438
And that's Death.
Speaker A
00:30:22.574 - 00:30:25.302
Yeah, that's Death. Yeah. He's my favorite part.
Speaker B
00:30:25.406 - 00:30:42.966
Oh, my God. So, yeah, obviously, this one's a B. Excellent. Like, holy shit. Again, Keanu had done bigger movies by then and.
And could have just come back and phoned it in and got it done with and left, but he's not that guy. He's the guy who's like, I'm in the project. I'm gonna be a hundred here.
Speaker A
00:30:43.038 - 00:30:43.366
Yep.
Speaker B
00:30:43.398 - 00:30:56.966
And he put it all on screen. Alex Winter, just. Again, like we said with the last one, he just. He kept doing the thing, and it worked out beautifully.
And then to throw death in there was the funniest.
Speaker A
00:30:57.078 - 00:30:57.510
Yes.
Speaker B
00:30:57.590 - 00:31:09.426
It is so good. He. He had the terror when he needed it and the timidness when he needed it and. And could get hit any point in between. So it's a definite. Definitely.
Be excellent for me.
Speaker A
00:31:09.498 - 00:31:10.386
Love it. What do you think?
Speaker C
00:31:10.458 - 00:31:41.098
Same. Be excellent to each other. I mean, you know, the way that he. William Sadler, came in and really filled in that Rufus role, you know, that mature.
Hey, I'm your guide through this movie. Yeah, I'm your. You know, I'm that mature person that can provide some Perspective. Yeah. And then just this kind of playful dynamic. So.
No, I mean, death is one of the all time great, you know, I think characters of the 90s because of this.
Speaker B
00:31:41.154 - 00:31:41.790
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:31:42.930 - 00:31:47.898
So be excellent to each other all the way. And of course, everything you said about Keanu and.
Speaker A
00:31:47.954 - 00:31:48.410
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:31:48.490 - 00:31:49.082
And Alex.
Speaker B
00:31:49.146 - 00:31:49.530
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:31:49.610 - 00:31:53.562
Yeah. And I just think that describes Keanu to a T. I just think whatever he does, he just. He goes for it.
Speaker B
00:31:53.586 - 00:31:53.738
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:31:53.754 - 00:31:54.618
I love that about him.
Speaker B
00:31:54.674 - 00:31:59.942
Even down to when he's cameoing in. In an Ali Wong movie on Netflix. Like, he's just. Just.
Speaker A
00:31:59.966 - 00:32:02.650
He's there and Cyberpunk is. He's fantastic.
Speaker B
00:32:03.150 - 00:32:06.598
And such a shitty game. He was so good, man.
Speaker A
00:32:06.654 - 00:32:08.454
After the updates, though, that game rules.
Speaker B
00:32:08.502 - 00:32:19.974
No, the story is great. The story. And it. Even as buggy as it was, it still pretty much worked on PC, which is what my friend played it on. That's what I watched. So it was.
It was solid. But yeah, he. He was so good.
Speaker A
00:32:20.062 - 00:32:29.278
So good in it. I agree. And I. I actually didn't know it was William Sadler at first. I've liked him in all those other films I mentioned. And then I. When I saw.
Because he. With the paint and everything, I just didn't. I was like, that's him.
Speaker B
00:32:29.334 - 00:32:29.614
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:32:29.662 - 00:32:39.150
I was like, it really was kind of out of character for him because he's done a lot of action. He also was like a southern prisoner in Shawshank Redemption. Kind of a southern dude. And he really, like, does a great.
Speaker B
00:32:39.190 - 00:32:42.766
He's hilarious Eastern European accent in this is so perfect.
Speaker A
00:32:42.878 - 00:32:49.770
And it's so random. Like death, like, you know, it's. Death has Swedish. Like, why Lithuania? Like, what is this?
Speaker C
00:32:50.150 - 00:32:53.662
It just works so well. Got an Adam's family vibe.
Speaker B
00:32:53.726 - 00:32:54.046
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:32:54.078 - 00:32:54.334
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:32:54.382 - 00:32:56.056
You know, it's perfect.
Speaker A
00:32:56.168 - 00:33:05.860
Yeah. To. To take the character of the Grim Reaper into. To. To repurpose him in this way was really a delicate balance.
And I think that he really killed it hands down.
Speaker C
00:33:06.240 - 00:33:16.248
And very rock and roll. Reminded of like the, you know, just like Blue Oyster Cult kind of like Don't Fear the Reaper. Yeah. Like, that's. That's what comes to mind with this.
Speaker B
00:33:16.304 - 00:33:16.900
Like.
Speaker C
00:33:17.440 - 00:33:18.264
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B
00:33:18.312 - 00:33:19.064
So good.
Speaker A
00:33:19.232 - 00:33:26.922
I love it. And also one more thing. I love the. I do think that Keanu and Alex did enough here to differentiate with the. The evil uses.
Speaker B
00:33:26.986 - 00:33:27.450
Oh, yeah.
Speaker A
00:33:27.490 - 00:33:37.226
Because they had to do all of it, I think. I, like, I. That scene, the sexual assault scene you mentioned, like, that was. I hated that scene. Not because it was a bad thing.
It was just like, I hated seeing these guys that we love.
Speaker B
00:33:37.298 - 00:33:37.594
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:33:37.642 - 00:33:39.210
Do Horrible things like, what are you doing?
Speaker C
00:33:39.250 - 00:33:41.322
And it's crossing a line from the first movie.
Speaker B
00:33:41.386 - 00:33:41.962
Absolutely.
Speaker C
00:33:42.026 - 00:33:44.410
You know, like, they like that. They really cross a line.
Speaker B
00:33:44.450 - 00:33:49.916
I mean, honestly, if anything, that's probably what pushes to PG 13 was that scene.
Speaker A
00:33:50.108 - 00:33:57.804
I didn't like it and I didn't. I. But they, but the way they played it though, it's just interesting. Like they, they're, they're. Neither of them are known as like the best actors.
Speaker B
00:33:57.852 - 00:33:58.076
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:33:58.108 - 00:34:01.740
But they just did just enough to say, God, I hate those versions. Yeah, I hate them.
Speaker B
00:34:01.780 - 00:34:02.300
Exactly.
Speaker A
00:34:02.380 - 00:34:23.346
So well done supporting cast.
We got Joss Ackland as Denomos, Pam Greer, Jackie Brown, and you know, obviously one of the great black exploitation exploitation actresses of all time, George Carlin. Rufus, of course. Amy Stock is Missy again. And then Jim Martin is Sir James Martin and then Captain Logan.
Speaker B
00:34:23.378 - 00:35:12.950
How Landon Jr. Yeah, it's. So here's the thing with me. This is. This is going to be a squeak over. This is. This is a 5.1 on the 10 scale for being a B. Excellent.
My biggest problem with the supporting cast in this one and, and even though technically death is considered top build, I think character wise, he is a supporting character. Outside of him, I don't feel like anyone was that memorable. Like they were in the last one and so they were so good.
Like, I didn't leave the movie being like, oh, the character sucked. There was nothing wrong with them, but there was nothing that really set any of them apart from each other. So it was still very enjoyable.
It was still good. It still is definitely a B Excellent. But it is barely on that side of the scale for me.
Speaker C
00:35:12.990 - 00:35:27.782
Okay, I'll go same. Because I mean, no one stole the show. No one took the light away.
Again, the first movie was very much, yeah, Bill and Ted, but you're also falling in love with like 15 other characters.
Speaker B
00:35:27.846 - 00:35:28.230
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:35:28.310 - 00:35:30.998
And then the second one was just. We're closing it in.
Speaker B
00:35:31.054 - 00:35:31.334
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:35:31.382 - 00:35:33.730
We're really focusing on just these people.
Speaker B
00:35:34.110 - 00:35:52.270
Which I think is a good thing because of how complicated the story got. Like you. If you're gonna make one thing more complicated, you have to. To simplify other things. So I think it, it did work to its favor.
But yeah, that's where I'm like, if we're just judging this specifically, that's why I'm like, it's. It wasn't as good, but it wasn't bad exactly there.
Speaker C
00:35:52.310 - 00:35:53.598
It just wasn't as robust.
Speaker B
00:35:53.694 - 00:35:54.206
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:35:54.318 - 00:35:55.890
But it wasn't necessary.
Speaker A
00:35:56.390 - 00:36:01.166
Yeah. Oh, yeah. I actually do go flunking most heinously here. But did you end up going, you're the scotch over as well?
Speaker C
00:36:01.238 - 00:36:10.078
Well, I'm going that it's be excellent to each other just because given what the script was, you didn't really need a supporting cast to do anything.
Speaker B
00:36:10.254 - 00:36:14.414
Yeah. None of it was bad, but none of it was outstanding.
Speaker C
00:36:14.462 - 00:36:14.782
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:36:14.846 - 00:36:19.214
Yeah. I love this one. I actually prefer this one over the first one, believe it or not. I know that's crazy, but.
Speaker B
00:36:19.302 - 00:36:20.158
No, I don't think so.
Speaker A
00:36:20.214 - 00:36:30.894
Yeah, there's. This is the thing I missed the most though was that that congealed those historical figures that were just having fun.
I did feel like because this did strike a more serious note, they had to go out and get more serious actors.
Speaker B
00:36:30.942 - 00:36:31.406
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:36:31.518 - 00:36:59.954
And I think it benefits from that in some ways. But then again there's a lot that I'm missing about some of that supporting layer. So again, like in Pam Greer for example, is one of our.
Is a great actress, but I feel like they put her in such a small little role. I'm like, that's all you had Pam Greer come in here and do. And we didn't get a lot of Carlin. Carlin's barely in this one, so I was missing him a lot.
And yeah, yeah, just again, how. To me the best one was Hell Landon doing that scene when. When they go into their dad's bodies. Yeah, well, not the dads. It was the dad.
And he went into the.
Speaker B
00:37:00.042 - 00:37:05.550
In the Missy's, didn't he or. No, no, it was the. The commissioner or not commissioner. But it was one of the other police officers.
Speaker A
00:37:05.650 - 00:37:13.750
Yeah, the guy from Total Recall. Yeah, but yeah, so again it's. It would be a scotch to use Seth's scotch scale. It's a scotch under for me.
Speaker B
00:37:13.790 - 00:37:14.054
Squeak.
Speaker A
00:37:14.102 - 00:37:23.330
A squeak. Sorry. Squeak scale. It's a squeak under. So it's not horrible, but it's just. I missed. I missed the first. But you guys win the category so it's 2 to 0.
Speaker B
00:37:23.790 - 00:37:25.558
We Emerald couch strikes again.
Speaker A
00:37:25.614 - 00:37:36.380
The Emerald Couch. I love my third favorite color of all time. Yes, I have. I have list of everything.
Colors, actors, movies, all of the things writing Chris Matheson and Ed Solomon again.
Speaker B
00:37:36.500 - 00:38:31.406
So I am actually going to go flunking most heinously on the writing. Here's the thing and it's. It's a similar thing with the supporting cast.
I still would at this point in time prefer this movie over the first one, but I don't think this one has anywhere near the same amount of memorable lines that the first one had. The plot was very good. The storyline was really good, but when it comes to the script itself, it just. It didn't have those punchy moments and those.
Not even the. Not even the catchphrases, but even just the moments like where he's with Socrates, all we are is dust in the wind. Like, there weren't.
There weren't those moments in this outside of Death. And so for me, the script. Yeah, It's a flunking M.O. heinously for me, but. But it would be a squeak under the squeak.
Speaker C
00:38:31.518 - 00:38:39.422
I'm going flunking most heinously as well because it just felt like it was very plot driven.
Speaker B
00:38:39.486 - 00:38:39.870
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:38:39.950 - 00:38:40.690
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:38:41.350 - 00:38:49.742
And it just felt like they were like, got to get through here and. Yeah. Just wasn't. Weren't a lot of punch lines.
Speaker B
00:38:49.806 - 00:38:50.450
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:38:51.110 - 00:38:58.840
You know, I think Keanu and Alex and Death carried this movie. Definitely not the script.
Speaker B
00:38:58.920 - 00:38:59.416
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:38:59.528 - 00:39:00.220
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:39:00.960 - 00:39:11.784
And looking back on it, you know, again, even with some of the choices they made, I think, you know, in retrospect, it all worked out.
Speaker B
00:39:11.872 - 00:39:12.540
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:39:14.400 - 00:39:19.416
But, yeah, there's a scenario where standalone this movie does not work.
Speaker A
00:39:19.488 - 00:39:19.960
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:39:20.040 - 00:39:26.528
And make any sense. And so I think I kind of got to look at it that way.
Speaker B
00:39:26.584 - 00:39:26.816
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:39:26.848 - 00:39:31.152
Where it's like, if this was just kind of like a standalone, which it is and it isn't.
Speaker B
00:39:31.216 - 00:39:31.860
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:39:32.600 - 00:39:35.392
You know, it would be flunking most heinously.
Speaker A
00:39:35.456 - 00:39:45.936
Yeah. I actually agree. Flunking most heinously. And I think it's in. In the writing, they. They.
One of the reasons maybe the supporting cast in Papa's was like, I don't think Chris and Ed gave them a lot to do.
Speaker B
00:39:46.008 - 00:39:46.400
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:39:46.480 - 00:39:59.114
Like, you kind of forget that these are, like, this is one thing I actually think they did that was interesting in the third one was all of a sudden it was about them being princesses again. Even though it was two different actresses. You know, you forget, like, oh, these women are from the 1400s.
Speaker B
00:39:59.162 - 00:39:59.434
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:39:59.482 - 00:40:00.938
But that really wasn't a thing here.
Speaker B
00:40:00.994 - 00:40:01.226
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:40:01.258 - 00:40:10.362
You know, they didn't really make that a factor, so there's a lot of stuff that. That they could have. I'm not asking for a lot. There's just a couple of subtle things that could have been written in there for those characters.
Speaker B
00:40:10.426 - 00:40:10.858
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:40:10.954 - 00:40:18.318
To maybe just kind of add a little gravitas. Like, you know, like this going back to the assault scene, it's like, these are princesses, dude. These are me. These are medieval women.
Speaker B
00:40:18.374 - 00:40:18.830
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:40:18.910 - 00:40:36.782
Like, there's something to that. They're not just your flimsy, everyday chick. Like. Like, I just thought, like, there's A little missed opportunity there. Remind us of their power.
These are women of the past. These are historical. And they didn't. They just didn't seize a lot of those. But, you know, it benefits the film that the top three really do drive it.
But I was missing just more power to them.
Speaker B
00:40:36.806 - 00:40:37.102
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:40:37.166 - 00:41:05.016
Yeah. In the writing. So. Two to one. Oh. Oh, this is getting bogus, man. Getting bogus. Directing Peter Hewitt. And I think I.
This is who I was mixing up on the last one on. In terms of. Did he direct only tv. Peter Hewitt. Sorry, I'm pulling him up. No, you good keeping up with three movies here.
Thunderpants was the first thing that came up in 2002.
Speaker B
00:41:05.088 - 00:41:05.736
What a name.
Speaker A
00:41:05.808 - 00:41:08.072
The Candy Show. Oh, and Garfield the movie.
Speaker C
00:41:08.216 - 00:41:09.660
Oh, wow.
Speaker A
00:41:10.080 - 00:41:10.860
Yeah.
Speaker B
00:41:11.520 - 00:41:15.224
Oh, my God. Yeah. Bill Murray's biggest regret.
Speaker A
00:41:15.352 - 00:41:16.824
Yeah. Which we referenced.
Speaker C
00:41:16.952 - 00:41:18.260
Maybe not actually.
Speaker A
00:41:20.080 - 00:41:35.266
We referenced. Why do we. There was a movie we talked about that got beat by Garfield in the. In the. I'm trying to remember.
We mentioned we don't have to do it now, but there's a movie Garfield made more money than a movie we reviewed recently. I'm trying to remember which one. Yeah.
Speaker B
00:41:35.298 - 00:41:35.714
That's funny.
Speaker A
00:41:35.762 - 00:41:38.706
In 2004. Yeah. Anyway, Peter Hewitt.
Speaker B
00:41:38.898 - 00:41:41.150
Did it. Did it make more money than Kill Bill?
Speaker A
00:41:41.770 - 00:41:45.186
Maybe that's what it was. It may have been. Yeah.
Speaker B
00:41:45.378 - 00:42:15.772
I'm going to give him a. Be excellent. The script. He was delivered, as we just discussed.
Not as good as the first one, but I think he took it to the furthest place he could go. I think he. He made it something that was truly unique. And the things that always stand out to me in. In the week that I've.
Since I've watched this movie was. Was the visuals and the way that he kind of pushed the visual boundaries that the first one kind of set up. So. No, I definitely.
I definitely think he did an incredible job here.
Speaker A
00:42:15.876 - 00:42:16.588
Love that.
Speaker C
00:42:16.724 - 00:42:34.188
Yeah. Agreed. I'm going be excellent to each other with what the script was, with how you wanted to contrast from the first one. Make it a little darker.
And again, I just go back to those scenes in Hell.
Speaker B
00:42:34.284 - 00:42:34.604
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:42:34.652 - 00:42:35.360
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:42:36.340 - 00:42:43.068
So, you know, I think, you know, towards the end there, the movie gets chaotic. So chaotic at the end.
Speaker A
00:42:43.124 - 00:42:43.840
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:42:44.340 - 00:42:47.100
But there were some really, really great choices made.
Speaker A
00:42:47.140 - 00:42:47.436
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:42:47.468 - 00:42:51.500
From a directing standpoint. And I'm going be excellent to each other.
Speaker A
00:42:51.540 - 00:42:58.192
Hell, yeah. I am too. And one thing that's interesting, I was thinking about how we were admiring the special effects of the last one here at sets.
Speaker B
00:42:58.256 - 00:42:58.832
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:42:58.976 - 00:43:11.008
And there's. They're. They're dealing With a lot of sets here. Like a lot of different. Very like, disparate sets.
Like from hell to the different rooms in hell to the apartment, the desert. Like, there's a lot of locations here.
Speaker B
00:43:11.064 - 00:43:11.344
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:43:11.392 - 00:43:21.552
And it's very. Like, there are a few plot loopholes that I don't dig. Like, I don't like how that is all of a sudden.
Like, this is the movie where the last one, it was kind of charming that we didn't care about the rules of time travel.
Speaker B
00:43:21.616 - 00:43:21.904
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:43:21.952 - 00:43:36.212
Here it was a little less charming and a little more. Okay, that's. This time I'm not buying it as much, but I. I'm impressed with the scale of this film versus the last one.
The budget's not that much Greater. I mean, 20 million and, you know, three years later, it's a. Yeah, I guess it's pretty good.
Speaker B
00:43:36.236 - 00:43:36.996
That's. That's a jump.
Speaker A
00:43:37.028 - 00:43:37.412
That's pretty good.
Speaker B
00:43:37.436 - 00:43:38.324
That's a solid jump.
Speaker A
00:43:38.372 - 00:43:59.658
That's true. I think that he did a significant job. And it's a. Overall, it's just a. It's a visual feast. It's a great story.
And I love how they really leaned into the creativity of this one. So. Absolutely, totally Be excellent to each other. It is. Do we. What are we at? We have three to one here. We are going into what's in front of us.
Cinematography, production design, sound, costumes, editing.
Speaker B
00:43:59.754 - 00:44:27.086
Yeah. I mean, as we've just discussed, this is obviously a. Be excellent for me. In addition to just the directorial choices, everyone on the.
The side of making the things that were on screen just fantastic. What animation was there, it's held up. It didn't look like it. It looked. It was still simple, but fine. Whatever. They.
They did what they did to make it look the way it needed to look. And they didn't try to go beyond that.
Speaker A
00:44:27.158 - 00:44:27.502
Yeah.
Speaker B
00:44:27.566 - 00:44:52.120
Anything else? They were using miniatures, they were using sets. They were using real stuff to blend with the animation. The cinematography, absolutely fantastic.
Definitely a couple of steps up from the first one. The first one needed the simplicity. This one, as the story got more complicated, the shot structure needed to get more complicated.
And I think it went along hand in hand, very well. So, yeah, everything on that end, for me is definitely a B. Excellent.
Speaker A
00:44:52.200 - 00:44:52.824
Love that.
Speaker C
00:44:52.912 - 00:45:04.728
Yeah. Be excellent to each other. I think the script, it wasn't great in a lot of ways. And these things is what made the movie great.
Speaker B
00:45:04.784 - 00:45:05.208
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:45:05.304 - 00:45:10.972
Across the board was. Was shot the set design, the cinematography.
Speaker B
00:45:11.036 - 00:45:12.636
Like costumes, the costume.
Speaker C
00:45:12.668 - 00:45:25.932
Like, really all of that is what carried the movie was really the visuals of it and the production. Because the script, again, I think we're all kind of like, even here. I'm sitting here, and I'm like, what happened in that movie?
Speaker B
00:45:25.996 - 00:45:26.380
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:45:26.460 - 00:45:26.956
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:45:27.068 - 00:45:29.308
Like, what. What actually happens at the end?
Speaker B
00:45:29.364 - 00:45:29.740
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:45:29.820 - 00:45:39.358
It goes on such a weird. Like, where you're still into it, but there does come a point in the movie where you're like, I don't buy this anymore.
But I'm still here in the world.
Speaker B
00:45:39.414 - 00:45:40.130
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:45:40.630 - 00:45:46.254
And so when all we're left with is the world. That's the world.
Speaker A
00:45:46.342 - 00:45:46.654
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:45:46.702 - 00:45:46.926
Yeah.
Speaker B
00:45:46.958 - 00:45:47.566
100.
Speaker A
00:45:47.718 - 00:46:22.564
Awesome. No, I totally agree. There's so much, visually, that I'm loving here and. Yeah. I just. Yeah, it's a total. It's a total. Be excellent to each other.
I love. I love. Again, I go back to the uniform thing. I just love that in every movie, they're wearing the same thing almost the entire time.
And, like, you almost just buy into that. They have uniforms. Like, this is bills. This is what they're all gonna wear. The Grim Reaper looks awesome. They all. Yeah, everything looks awesome.
I even like Denomalos's kind of weird take on Darth Vader. One thing I. One thing I saw in the. In the special features was, like, even, you know, at the very beginning when they're in the classroom.
Speaker B
00:46:22.612 - 00:46:22.836
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:46:22.868 - 00:46:30.012
When you first see Rufus again, like, the way they made that lighting was they used. It's practical. They use, like, a ultraviolet tape.
Speaker B
00:46:30.116 - 00:46:30.652
Oh, yeah.
Speaker A
00:46:30.716 - 00:46:33.804
And it's like a reflective, and it's made to reflect ultraviolet light.
Speaker B
00:46:33.892 - 00:46:35.788
So that's what they did with lightsabers.
Speaker A
00:46:35.884 - 00:46:36.556
Oh, really? Okay.
Speaker B
00:46:36.588 - 00:46:37.084
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker A
00:46:37.132 - 00:46:41.276
So that's why it's like. It's not a lighting effect. It's actually how the light looks bouncing off this. It's.
Speaker B
00:46:41.308 - 00:46:41.564
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:46:41.612 - 00:46:44.060
So they went very practical here, and it works.
Speaker C
00:46:44.140 - 00:46:49.884
And the way they made the future look was very, like, almost cheesy. But again, that's what we want in Bill and Ted.
Speaker B
00:46:49.932 - 00:46:51.308
It was just cheesy enough.
Speaker C
00:46:51.364 - 00:46:56.452
Just cheesy enough. Yeah. I mean, even when the guys have, like, the guns and stuff, I'm like, those look like water guns.
Speaker B
00:46:56.476 - 00:46:59.680
Guns. Yeah. It's like. It looked like they were. It's like.
Speaker C
00:47:00.620 - 00:47:02.932
And they're all walking, and it's just squishy.
Speaker B
00:47:03.076 - 00:47:03.892
Oh, yeah.
Speaker C
00:47:04.036 - 00:47:05.524
I'm like, that's. This is hilarious.
Speaker B
00:47:05.572 - 00:47:26.494
Well, one of the movies we covered a while ago was called Upgrade, and we. In my research, I found out that one of the guns that they used in Upgrade was a Duck Hunt gun from, like, an original Nintendo console. So I do.
I love when you can contextually turn something like that. You wouldn't think. Think of working into something that actually look. Ends up looking really good.
Speaker A
00:47:26.582 - 00:47:28.014
Yeah, I totally agree.
Speaker B
00:47:28.102 - 00:47:28.798
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:47:28.974 - 00:47:42.638
All right, we're cooking with gas here. Four to one. Here we go. Going to our bro categories now. And if you recall, we had the two categories that are going to go across all these.
How would we like our duo here? Just duo it. Do we still feel good about our. Our twosome here?
Speaker B
00:47:42.694 - 00:47:52.332
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, like, we've, like, we've said, I think them and then. Yeah. Adding death into the mix. But even.
I mean, with this particular story, if death hadn't worked, none of it would have worked.
Speaker A
00:47:52.396 - 00:47:52.972
Yeah.
Speaker B
00:47:53.116 - 00:48:02.044
Alex and Keanu still just brought it 100 and still made me believe that even with the few years that had passed, that they were still best buds.
Speaker A
00:48:02.092 - 00:48:02.508
Yeah.
Speaker B
00:48:02.604 - 00:48:04.156
So, yeah, it's a B. Excellent for me.
Speaker A
00:48:04.228 - 00:48:04.668
Love that.
Speaker C
00:48:04.724 - 00:48:10.268
Be excellent to each other. Same. I mean, just the two of them, you know, we talk about even in the third one.
Speaker B
00:48:10.324 - 00:48:12.540
Yeah. It's like. I mean, it's like.
Speaker C
00:48:12.660 - 00:48:29.932
It's just.
It seems like two buddies, you know, I think Keanu and Alex's love for filmmaking and love for making this film and being these characters just comes through when you're watching the film, you know, and so it's just hard not to really just be bought in.
Speaker A
00:48:30.036 - 00:48:40.732
Yeah. I love it. And I think one thing, the reason I would go be excellent to each other is, like, now we have, like, three different versions.
It's such a great duo that we have the robot duo and we have the evil uses.
Speaker B
00:48:40.796 - 00:48:41.084
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:48:41.132 - 00:48:55.480
It's like the branding of this and the. And the. The. The charm.
The charm, like, of this duo is so great that they can do different versions of it and, like, that they're able to make the different versions. Like, I. I don't know why, but I really find the robots endearing. The robot versions of them.
Speaker C
00:48:55.520 - 00:48:55.944
Oh, yeah.
Speaker B
00:48:55.992 - 00:48:56.216
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:48:56.248 - 00:48:57.672
It's like, I love that even the.
Speaker C
00:48:57.696 - 00:49:05.064
Evil ones, when they're, like, banging the thing against their head, they're going in the room, like, throwing stuff. You're like. You're like, this is silly.
Speaker B
00:49:05.112 - 00:49:05.480
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:49:05.560 - 00:49:24.134
The. To me, the evil version of them was like, if they.
They didn't take the right medications, like that day, it was like they just forgot one or took too many of one. And this is why they're acting. Acting this way. It was just tweaked enough to be. To be bad. So. No. Totally love it. All right. It is four to one. Or is it.
What is it now? It Is five.
Speaker B
00:49:24.222 - 00:49:24.870
It's five to one.
Speaker A
00:49:24.910 - 00:49:37.250
Five to one. That's right. All right, last one. Back to the future.
So last time you had a, you kick us off on this one because you had an interesting perspective that the last one wasn't like a true time travel film. So what do you think about the time travel elements here?
Speaker C
00:49:38.750 - 00:49:46.884
I mean, again, I, I think this one's less about, for me, like, time travel and more about that spiritual journey.
Speaker A
00:49:46.932 - 00:49:47.540
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C
00:49:47.620 - 00:49:57.668
Going to heaven, going to hell. Dying. Going to heaven. Going to hell. Reliving your past. So this still doesn't, you know, it's going to be failing.
Speaker B
00:49:57.764 - 00:49:58.132
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:49:58.196 - 00:49:59.284
Most triumphantly.
Speaker A
00:49:59.332 - 00:49:59.796
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:49:59.908 - 00:50:02.180
As a time travel movie, for sure.
Speaker A
00:50:02.300 - 00:50:02.932
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:50:03.076 - 00:50:13.572
Because they kind of abandoned it all and you're actually now time traveling in a different context, which still isn't time travel. It's more just like you died and you're looking back on your life, which.
Speaker A
00:50:13.596 - 00:50:15.236
I don't see that as dimension traveling.
Speaker C
00:50:15.268 - 00:50:16.920
I don't see that as. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker B
00:50:17.260 - 00:50:34.557
Yeah, same. It's, it's not a time travel movie. It's a movie that has a couple of time travel elements, but it's not in, in. And I, I would disagree with you.
I would say the first one is definitely a time travel movie. This one is not at all. So. Yeah. Only in the fact that it's not a time travel movie does it failed most triumph.
Speaker A
00:50:34.576 - 00:50:43.330
Infinitely interesting. Yeah. I, I'm struggling with this one because even though it's not like real time travel, it's more like interdimensional death life stuff.
Like, I still love it.
Speaker B
00:50:43.370 - 00:50:43.586
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:50:43.618 - 00:50:45.074
Like, I still love the bouncing around.
Speaker B
00:50:45.162 - 00:50:54.274
Oh, yeah. It doesn't make it any less of a movie. It's just. Yeah.
For this particular thing, in context of a time travel trilogy, it's, it's the one not time travel movie.
Speaker A
00:50:54.322 - 00:51:15.460
The one time they. In the, in the. I guess the reason, I guess I would go to use your squeak under.
I would go a squeak under on failing most heinously is because the way it was used was almost to fill a loophole, and that was the not being able to play guitar yet. So they do it quick. And then it was like, oh, okay.
So you're just gonna kind of do the time travel thing like you did in the last one, but not really do it and, but it felt kind of like just to patch it up.
Speaker B
00:51:15.500 - 00:51:15.668
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:51:15.684 - 00:51:20.500
You know what I mean? So, yeah, I, I, I also go. Yeah. Failing most heinously here.
Speaker B
00:51:20.540 - 00:51:21.160
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:51:21.660 - 00:51:23.220
All right. Five to two.
Speaker B
00:51:23.340 - 00:51:23.812
Solid.
Speaker A
00:51:23.876 - 00:51:24.292
Solid.
Speaker B
00:51:24.356 - 00:51:24.596
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:51:24.628 - 00:51:27.588
Solid. It's funny. It's Funny that I scored it worse, even though I like it better.
Speaker B
00:51:27.644 - 00:51:28.068
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:51:28.164 - 00:51:28.420
But.
Speaker B
00:51:28.460 - 00:51:38.062
Well, again, it's like when you look at individual elements of certain. Certain things. Yeah. Sometimes these parts of it aren't as good, but for whatever reason, the product as a whole just feels better.
Speaker A
00:51:38.166 - 00:51:38.766
Yeah.
Speaker B
00:51:38.878 - 00:51:39.530
So.
Speaker A
00:51:39.910 - 00:51:47.662
Well, five to two, I'd love to know what you think about this one all. And we're gonna do something interesting. We're gonna go into Face the Music, you know, a Covid reboot.
Speaker B
00:51:47.726 - 00:51:48.014
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:51:48.062 - 00:52:00.386
And, you know, one of those movies that was made and.
Or released during COVID and it has, you know, that kind of attached to it, because I remember watching the Comic Con and the special features, and they were all on zoom, and it was. I almost couldn't watch it. I was like, this is just too much.
Speaker B
00:52:00.458 - 00:52:01.186
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:52:01.378 - 00:52:15.714
Ptsd. They should just redo it and do it in the same room. But, yeah, it's gonna be interesting to see how we all. I. I.
Everyone in the audience knows I have a hard time with reboots. I'm old guy. I cling. I'm a clinger. So, yeah, it'll be interesting to see, but, yeah. I'm Kyle.
Speaker B
00:52:15.762 - 00:52:16.274
I'm Seth.
Speaker C
00:52:16.322 - 00:52:17.426
I'm Evan Burke.
Speaker A
00:52:17.538 - 00:52:20.850
Love y'all. Movie Wars.